So, let me make this simple for anyone who...

[true_fan]

Doesn't know how steroids work and how to mask them? OK, the body produces natural testosterone and natural epistosterone and they both balance the body and close in ratio like T 1.15:E 1. Some athletes have higher levels of T around 3.5, so when they decide that they want to get stronger and faster and so forth, they use anabolic steroids to increase their T level up to 15 or even more. The urine or blood test will show that in relation to the E level, so they use diuretics or epistosterone to make the levels close to normal. In the process, however, when they first take the masking agent, it will make their T level so low and slowly will go back up until the time for testing. So, when you get tested by surprise, your T level will look very low next to the E levels.

 

[Shogun Rising]

Sounds about right.

 

[joeyjoejoe]

The plot thickens.

 

[AJ Garcia]

This should be a sticky thread

 

[BROWNPRIDE]

Bones is a cheat I knew it.

 

[true_fan]

Bones is a cheat I knew it.

Yeah because according to the first test, he had such low T levels to the point that should be in a wheel chair. The second one, his T levels went up drastically because the agent went to work. There is no way around this!

 

[Post 2 Decision]

Really hope everyone understands now why low T levels are a big deal.

Good thread man

 

[SKWERT]

I still think he gets away with it.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

diuretics increase epitestosterone levels? Never heard that before.

 

[IMDIYM]

He'll get away with it of course

 

[My name is]

He'll get away with it of course

how can you prove him guilty

 

[true_fan]

diuretics increase epitestosterone levels? Never heard that before.

Epitestosterone and Dextran

Dextran is the most commonly detected drug in a class of substances known as plasma expanders. In many ways, Dextran and other plasma expanding masking agents work along the same lines as diuretics. However, instead of diluting urine with large amounts of excreted water, plasma expanders dilute the blood. By increasing the amount of plasma

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

So why don't WADA, USADA, or the ACs have a similar threshold for low T? If you're above 4:1 or 6:1 (depending on jurisdiction) you are determined to have failed without a CIR to prove it was exogenous T. Why don't these bodies seem to have a threshold for low ratios?

 

[true_fan]

how can you prove him guilty

The tests that are used to take gold medals from olympians will be used on his results and he will be indicted!
Epitestosterone has not been shown to enhance athletic performance, although administration of epistestosterone can be used to mask a high level of testosterone if the standard T/E ratio test is used. As such, epitestosterone is banned by many sporting authorities as a masking agent for testosterone.

In 1996 the US athlete Mary Decker failed a T/E test with a T/E ratio of greater than 6, the limit in force at the time. She took the case to arbitration, arguing that birth control pills can cause false positives for the test, but the arbitration panel ruled against her.

On September 20, 2007 Floyd Landis was stripped of his title as winner of the Tour de France, and was subjected to a two-year ban from professional racing after a second test showing an elevated T/E ratio. Landis won the 17th stage of the tour; however, tests taken immediately after the stage victory showed a T/E ratio of 11:1, more than double the 4:1 imposed limit (recently lowered from prior limits of 8:1 and 6:1). On August 1, 2006, media reports said that synthetic testosterone had been detected in the A sample, using the carbon isotope ratio test CIR. The presence of synthetic testosterone means that some of the testosterone in Landis

 

[true_fan]

So why don't WADA, USADA, or the ACs have a similar threshold for low T? If you're above 4:1 or 6:1 (depending on jurisdiction) you are determined to have failed without a CIR to prove it was exogenous T. Why don't these bodies seem to have a threshold for low ratios?

They will do that because DC and the people will demand the CIR testing!

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

Epitestosterone and Dextran

Dextran is the most commonly detected drug in a class of substances known as plasma expanders. In many ways, Dextran and other plasma expanding masking agents work along the same lines as diuretics. However, instead of diluting urine with large amounts of excreted water, plasma expanders dilute the blood. By increasing the amount of plasma

 

[true_fan]

So diuretics don't increase Epitestosterone and wouldn't help to pass a T:E test?

And why does injecting/ingesting epitestosterone supposedly cause T levels to plummet as you claim in the OP?



These people all blew through the allowed maximum threshold. That's not the case here.



Come again? Do you actually know anything about this subject, or did you do some googling and come to all these conclusions?

What are you talking about dude? So, you know more than everyone including wiki!

 

[Otto!]

Very well explained, thanks TS.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

TS is on the right track, but seems to be confusing T:E ratio for T level in at least some portions of his post.

CIR test should certainly be done.