So if Ronda is crushing cans what is Cyborg crushing??

Rousey's most interesting wins are over Tate.
Cyborg's most interesting win is over Carano.

Carano achieved more than Tate ever did and Cyborg demolished her...

Carano fought cans as well according to the haters' logic, so how does that help Cyborg?
 
They need 2 fight.

Yes, yes they do. But idk what is it gonna take for cyborg to get it thru her head that the only was she is gonna fight ronda is at 135 in the UFC...not in Invicta at 140 not 145 not 150 etc...Ronda is the champ and cyborg is the one calling her out so either make the weight or shut up and move on
 
other cans, slightly bigger. Not big enough to mean anything.

There are 3 women who can really fight in today's big scene. One at 115, one at 135, one at 145. As a fan of fighting, one would want to see any combination of the 3 fighting, preferably all at their very best, which would mean catchweights, and would completely eliminate the Cyborg-JJ option, and very likely JJ-RR, too - because it wouldn't be fair to Rousey to make her starve muscle off to get to 125.

So, if a fan likes fights, and wants to see the two best women who are close enough in weight to fight, then that fan would logically want to see Cyborg-Rousey at 140lbs.
 
You cant take them seriously. Everyone who mocks Ronda about crushing cans or punching technique praises Cyborg in the next sentence. She fights worse cans and has horrible pathetic punching technique.


Rousey's most interesting wins are over Tate.
Cyborg's most interesting win is over Carano.

Carano achieved more than Tate ever did and Cyborg demolished her...

WTF??? lol at all the noobs. So what her best win what has she accomplished?

Look at the resumes, Cyborg & Gina were promotional hype(lol what they say about Ronda) they fought 125 - 135lbers, scrubs. Gina, her dad and Elite XC had it set-up. They would book her for a fight months ahead of time. Weeks before the fight some 125-135lber would take the fight on short notice. Gina was training the whole time still would come in sometimes over 145 against her tiny short notice opponent. Her best win was former SF 135lb champ who Meisha tate subbed

Heavier cans
Sadly and really pathetically: no, most of the cans weren't bigger. In fact many were smaller. And 145 cyroid was on roids during this time period against those much smaller cans. And they weren't even ranked in the lower division. Most of Rousey "can" wins have wins over Cyborgs can wins.
 
Rousey's most interesting wins are over Tate.
Cyborg's most interesting win is over Carano.

Carano achieved more than Tate ever did and Cyborg demolished her...

I don't think we should split hairs. Cyborg has two wins over 'next-tier-down' competition (ie, not Rousey or Cyborg) in Coenen and Carano. Rousey has Tate, Zingano and McMann, imo. Its nothing to argue about, imo.

Their only meaningful-to-legacy fight is with each other. Holly Holm would be a fun one, and she'd probably make it tough for either, but she's in with the Coenen/Tate/Zingano tier.

Its obvious. As a businesswoman Rousey should NOT fight Cyborg - too high risk, too little reward when she's given credit for beating the Bethe's of the world. As a competitor, the high risk is exactly why she SHOULD meet at 140 and beat her at her best.

If I want to know I'm the best at something, I want to beat the best, AT their best. Every great has taken chances to meet someone really tough and underrated, or in a neighboring weightclass - Leonard, Ali, Louis, Duran, Frasier, Foreman, Lewis, etc... they all made sure to fight the best out there.
 
Getting crushed by kickboxers.. MMA cans.. Getting crushed by cans...

Loser attitude. Fighters go UP a notch in my books whenever they go out of their comfort zone to try an elite fighter in that fighter's gamezone. Any fighter who tries his hand at boxing, kickboxing, Abu Dhabi, MMA, Olympic Wrestling is a real game fighter. The more disciplines you try, the more you will lose - you can't be the best at all of them.

Its like people who bag on Rousey for coming in 3rd in Oly Jodo. Fuck off, she's eltie in two sports - that's wicked. Cyborg is elite in MMA, and gave a good fight to a kickboxer most kickboxers won't even face - that's awesome, too. Baars gets credit for even trying MMA with that lanky frame and one-dimensional game, she just hasn't had success like the other two.
 
Tomatoes in those which is funny since they are already crushed
 
Their only meaningful-to-legacy fight is with each other. Holly Holm would be a fun one, and she'd probably make it tough for either, but she's in with the Coenen/Tate/Zingano tier.

Its obvious. As a businesswoman Rousey should NOT fight Cyborg - too high risk, too little reward when she's given credit for beating the Bethe's of the world. As a competitor, the high risk is exactly why she SHOULD meet at 140 and beat her at her best.

If I want to know I'm the best at something, I want to beat the best, AT their best. Every great has taken chances to meet someone really tough and underrated, or in a neighboring weightclass - Leonard, Ali, Louis, Duran, Frasier, Foreman, Lewis, etc... they all made sure to fight the best out there.

Holm would be 50 50 vs borg, she's stylistically built for that fight, striker vs striker.

the idea that Rousey is ducking borg due to the risk is absurd. She fought bethe toe to toe, the only way bethe had to win, and she destroyed her. Nothing safe about her win this past weekend. She's a pure fighters through and through.

Rousey going out of her way to find borg in a non existent weight class is ridiculous. It's just poor business by the UFC, dana's made it clear, he doesnt have another division, wont make one at this time. Cyborg is going to fight at 140 next, she surely can make 135. If anyone is being the business women, it's Cyborg. She'll always be the elusive one that rousey never beat, except, Rousey doesnt need her.

Dana said it best, cyborg should be BEGGING to fight Rousey, absolutely BEGGING for it, not the other way around. The only people that recognize Cyborg as the next best thing, are avid Rousey haters, Rousey will beat her within the first round, lets not kid ourselves here. Whatever weight class, wont matter.
 
Cans as well. So it only makes sense to have them fight to find out who the best can crusher is.

Just kidding, we already know. It's Fedor.
 
Cyborg's level of competition at 145-lbs is very weak. Ronda is beating good fighters that belong in the division. Tate, Davis, Cat, Kaufman are way better than anyone Cyborg beat (minus maybe Coenen or Gina )
 
Cyborg's level of competition at 145-lbs is very weak. Ronda is beating good fighters that belong in the division. Tate, Davis, Cat, Kaufman are way better than anyone Cyborg beat (minus maybe Coenen or Gina )

Coenen fights a weight class up and Tate still subbed her in the 3rd. I think it took Cyborg until the third to stop Coenen both times? (Can't remember for sure). I think Coenen was more competitive with Tate but if we're saying that 2 of Cyborg's best 3 wins are Coenen (and they are) it makes sense for context to point out that Tate, though smaller, subbed Coenen (which is Coenen's world) and Ronda will have beaten Tate easily 3 times by the end of this year.
 
That's the puzzling part about the Ronda criticism. Not only is Cyborg also crushing cans, they're usually smaller then her and she wins less impressively. And then some people say well bring 145 to the ufc. Ok have you followed womens mma at all? The whole reason Cyborg and Carano were crushing much smaller cans at 145 is it's a really, really shallow weight class.



135 is where most of the talent is, even though it's shallow as well. Ronda has won more impressively over better fighters, and without the huge size advantage. Then there's the argument that she should go up to challenge herself, or because it's so common. Ridiculously false. First of all no, most champs do not go up in weight for super fights in mma. Not Aldo, GSP, Jones, Mighty mouse after dropping, Cruz, Chuck, etc.



Andy went up for gimme fights. Randy went up because there were better matchups for him and he had lost the trilogy with Chuck. BJ went up sure, and look how awful his record is because of it. Dan went up and had success, yeah. Dan is a monster, no doubt.




Then there's risk vs reward. A cw is ouright idiotic when you consider this because:



1. If Cyborg wins a cw the ufc can't do anything with her afterwards if she can't make 135.


2. It would kill off a lot of Rondas undefeated hype/mystique if she loses, potentially hurting her future earnings.


3. Cyborg isn't a huge draw or a big name, if Ronda does beat her it won't mean much to casuals.



All the cw talk is nonsense. It doesn't make financial sense for Ronda or the ufc, the only person who would benefit is Cyborg, and she doesn't have anywhere near the leverage to force a cw fight. Blame cyborgs stubbornness for the fight not happening. Ronda isn't ducking anything, you can't duck someone that isn't in your weight class. Derp.
 
Carano is the most overrated fighter ever.

She only fought cans (except Cyborg)

She won Kedzie via decision and Kedzie has lost against Correia, Miesha, Davis... what a joke.
 
Cyborg's level of competition at 145-lbs is very weak. Ronda is beating good fighters that belong in the division. Tate, Davis, Cat, Kaufman are way better than anyone Cyborg beat (minus maybe Coenen or Gina )

Cyborg beats everyone they put in front of her. It's not her fault she's the best in her division.
 
Holm would be 50 50 vs borg, she's stylistically built for that fight, striker vs striker.

the idea that Rousey is ducking borg due to the risk is absurd. She fought bethe toe to toe, the only way bethe had to win, and she destroyed her. Nothing safe about her win this past weekend. She's a pure fighters through and through.

Rousey going out of her way to find borg in a non existent weight class is ridiculous. It's just poor business by the UFC, dana's made it clear, he doesnt have another division, wont make one at this time. Cyborg is going to fight at 140 next, she surely can make 135. If anyone is being the business women, it's Cyborg. She'll always be the elusive one that rousey never beat, except, Rousey doesnt need her.

Dana said it best, cyborg should be BEGGING to fight Rousey, absolutely BEGGING for it, not the other way around. The only people that recognize Cyborg as the next best thing, are avid Rousey haters, Rousey will beat her within the first round, lets not kid ourselves here. Whatever weight class, wont matter.

she went in as an11-1 favorite, aka an odds on lock, and won. Wow, what an achievement :rolleyes:
 
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