So Felipe has Pena got hhd...

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  1. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    Interesting, Tex Jhonson just did what Gordon couldn’t do twice... even more interesting is that Felipe couldn’t escape the position from 50/50... these days saddle is considered a way better attacking position than 50/50... are we going to see the Renaince of 50/50??
     
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    50/50 is already well on its way to a comeback in the leglocking meta. For one thing, entering 50/50 is a good way to keep your heelhook and not get your back taken against Felipe Pena’s favorite saddle counter. Secondly, it’s a harder position to escape from than saddle (with single leg control, anyway). Thirdly, it’s easier to generate heel exposure from 50/50 than saddle against a competent opponent.

    As escapes and defenses against the saddle-focused meta have risen, 50/50 has become an important method of breaking through said defenses. All the old downsides of 50/50 remain, but it is rapidly regaining its old place as an efficient way to keep control of someone who only wishes to escape the leg game and finish them with a heelhook. Someone like Pena.

    This is kinda a touchy subject for me because I’d started transitioning to 50/50 to finish heelhooks against one of my students who is incredibly good at defending them from saddle. I filmed a video on it and was starting to edit it together and then I see that Lachlan Giles and Craig Jones have been teaching a better version of my transition. Oh well.
     
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    tekkenfan Brown Belt

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    its crazy how far tex has come i remember when we were both browns he was a good brown but never would have thought hed got to this level i guess after he left mma he really fully concentrated on bjj

    goes t showif you move to top gyms you can go very far
     
  4. BJJ_Rage

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    Where does he train at?
     
  5. ChainFlow

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    Unity, with Murillo Santana, the Miyaos, and Eddie Cummings.
     
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  6. yetanother

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    Well he is training with Eddie Cummings himself directly.
     
  7. tekkenfan

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    he use t train outside of atl with a good friend of mine ina small gym theyw ere both teaching with then he got hooked up with allliance then went to lepris had a split from there and is at unity now but it goes t show that if you can get to a top gym tody u can be world class material
     
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    It's usually polite to reference a happening without putting spoilers in the title; for many people forum posts can be the first time they hear about matchups or events they might be interested in.
     
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  9. Loole_92

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    I've heard he was not the safest training partner at Alliance.
     
  10. yetanother

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    Injuring people with leg locks?
     
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    I was at Alliance with Tex for ~4 years. I like him as a person, but would not want to train with him regularly and you couldn't pay me to compete against him. I honestly believe he does not have bad intentions but he somehow cannot manage to keep from injuring people.
     
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    Did random injuries just happen more when training with him or is he just hurting people with leglocks?
     
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    He was always a "roll hard" kind of guy so I'm sure there's a share of random injuries related to that, but it was mostly excessive velocity/power with subs and the occasional slow release. At the time heel hooks weren't such a big thing so it was mostly a lot of jacked-up ankles and the odd knee.
     
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    It almost looks like Pena wasn't taking him/the position too seriously. I'm sure he's not the only one who was caught off guard by this.

    I don't think Tex saw the same defense Gordon did.

    Gordon has tapped both Tex and Kaynan at black belt.
     
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  15. yetanother

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    I doubt Pena takes anybody lightly in 50/50. He wasn't caught being super aggressive or trying to some fancy crowd pleasing shit.
     
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    Where do you train these days?
     
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    Folks might not recall but 50/50 was something Felipe was 'known for' at brown and black belt on the ibjjf circuit. Perhaps it was a combination of A: feeling confident in the position due to long experience, and B: misplaced instinct due to familiarity in using the position without heel hooks (Gordon Ryan usually avoids it).
     
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    Craig was in 50/50 when he got his back taken by kaynan no?

    Granted kaynan was standing.
     
  19. Chandler sama

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    He got caught in the same transition Craig Jones explained in that long BJJ fanatics video I posted about 2 weeks ago. He switches from the 4/11 position to 50/50 when people try that standing escape. 50/50 is a weaker position than 4/11 in my opinion, but during the standing escape the defender has to put their leg and hands on the ground or at least away from you. When you switch to 50/50 the defender has nothing to defend with. Tex transitioned fairly slowly, but Pena still wasn't able to defend in time. I think Lachlin Giles did a video on it and Craig Jones said he was making a new leglock DVD with new info based upon recent leg lock defenses and I'm sure this will be included. I believe Craig Jones also used this transition to beat Tim Spriggs recently.

    Ironically I think the reason Pena got caught is because so many people saw how he beat Gordon Ryan using that defense and people came up with this counter to stop it. I love to see BJJ evolve and find solutions to problems.
     
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    atm in my hometown in ms moving soon though no goodtraining here we only have 2 purples
     
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