So far who has done better against Khabib?

mhyh92 said:
many people have had better short notice performances and even won off the couch without a training camp. youre over glorifiying this guys accomplishment. Nate diaz choked conor off the couch no training camp at all when conor was prepared for a 5 rounder vs RDA. how about that? LOL!

Al could very possibly do worse than he did the first fight. there is nothing called training for a 3 round fight. you dont half train your cardio for a 3 rounder and train fully for a 5 rounder. these guys are going in trying to be in the best shape of their lives for every fight be it a 3 or 5 rounds. Conor for example gasses every fight regardless of rounds number LOL.
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Like I stated in my original post, training for a stylistically polar opposite is far worse then not training for any specific style at all.

Every scientific research done on muscle memory confirms this, majority of technical training when geared for specific opponents, trains the neuromuscular system to react instinctively to the opponents tool set.

Ignoring vital neuro pathways is counter productive, especially when dealing with a specialist like Khabib.

And training for a 3 round fight is very different than a 5 round fight, just like training for a half marathon is different than a full marathon.

One of the most significant factors being how to pace yourself.
 
JRubin said:
Like I stated in my original post, training for a stylistically polar opposite is far worse then not training for any specific style at all.

Every scientific research done on muscle memory confirms this, majority of technical training when geared for specific opponents, trains the neuromuscular system to react instinctively to the opponents tool set.

Ignoring vital neuro pathways is counter productive, especially when dealing with a specialist like Khabib.

And training for a 3 round fight is very different than a 5 round fight, just like training for a half marathon is different than a full marathon.

One of the most significant factors being how to pace yourself.
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as i stated aswell a lot of fighters did way better than him off the couch. michael bisping, ortega, nate etc. what he did was lose 50-43 land nothing and did nothing.
 
mhyh92 said:
as i stated aswell a lot of fighters did way better than him off the couch. michael bisping, ortega, nate etc. what he did was lose 50-43 land nothing and did nothing.
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Sadly your too dumb to grasp the basis of my argument, being that Al had to go from fighting Felder to Khabib.

All your doing is supporting my argument that not any opponent specific training is better than doing specific training for the wrong opponent.
 
JRubin said:
Like I stated in my original post, training for a stylistically polar opposite is far worse then not training for any specific style at all.

Every scientific research done on muscle memory confirms this, majority of technical training when geared for specific opponents, trains the neuromuscular system to react instinctively to the opponents tool set.

Ignoring vital neuro pathways is counter productive, especially when dealing with a specialist like Khabib.

And training for a 3 round fight is very different than a 5 round fight, just like training for a half marathon is different than a full marathon.

One of the most significant factors being how to pace yourself.
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What a biased fool you are. So did khabib trained for a fighter like Al?
 
migeru29 said:
What a biased fool you are. So did khabib trained for a fighter like Al?
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So answer me this.

What problems did Khabib face in Al that he wouldnt of had to deal with in Tony???

Superior TDD?? More dangerous bottom game?? More dangerous striker??

You guys are such a overly sensitive bunch
 
mhyh92 said:
edgar is over the hill 2 they both are.
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Edgar at the time was in his prime and on a tear beating guys like mendes and Swanson
lol at over the hill
What about his wins over Moicano and Stephens 3 years later? Just because a tighter loses doesn’t mean they are past their prime
 
Tomas said:
Tibau obviously because it was Khabib's closest fight, but Conor had the most success against Khabib scorecard wise

Only guy to win a round off Khabib
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Should be an asterisk next to that stat, Herb literally watched him commit foul after foul and didn't do anything about it. So Conor actually won a round without having any success.
 
JRubin said:
So answer me this.

What problems did Khabib face in Al that he wouldnt of had to deal with in Tony???

Superior TDD?? More dangerous bottom game?? More dangerous striker??

You guys are such a overly sensitive bunch
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What problems did Rockhold face in Bisping as a late replacement. That he wouldn’t have faced with Weidman?

That’s silly, because the biggest problem is they aren’t the same person. It’s mma and shit can happen as late replacements that we don’t normally expect.

There was no pressure on Al. He could just try to shock the world. He had nothing to lose.

And what about Khabib. Started by training for one guy that pulled due to a late injury. Then was signed to fight a different guy, that was pulled even later by the commission. I heard a few other names bandied about, but finally the opponent was figured out on Friday.

Oh, and didn’t Khabib’s bus come under attack from a big group of thugs? The week was anything but ideal and you know that.

Both Al and Khabib faced difficulties here. Don’t lay out just one side of the story, it’s disingenuous and lame af.
 
NoBiasJustMMA said:
Styles make fights, Ferguson and Wonderboy are strikers that don't initiate grappling often, Healy is a huge LW that grinds out wins with takedowns and top control and strong cardio, which is the style Pettis has had by far the most trouble with in his career. I know Healy lost to Thomson in Strikeforce but like I said styles make fights, the style match ups matter a lot and I don't think Pettis would have beaten Healy when he was at his best which was when he fought Khabib.

Bobby Green has much better wrestling than Pettis, again styles matter.
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Who knows!

I am curious to see how this whole Tony vs Khabib resume thing plays out over the next two years. Of course the best thing that could happen is they get matched up lol.

Poirier or Holloway......tougher match up for Khabib?? Who wins this Sat?
 
GiSP said:
What problems did Rockhold face in Bisping as a late replacement. That he wouldn’t have faced with Weidman?

That’s silly, because the biggest problem is they aren’t the same person. It’s mma and shit can happen as late replacements that we don’t normally expect.

There was no pressure on Al. He could just try to shock the world. He had nothing to lose.

And what about Khabib. Started by training for one guy that pulled due to a late injury. Then was signed to fight a different guy, that was pulled even later by the commission. I heard a few other names bandied about, but finally the opponent was figured out on Friday.

Oh, and didn’t Khabib’s bus come under attack from a big group of thugs? The week was anything but ideal and you know that.

Both Al and Khabib faced difficulties here. Don’t lay out just one side of the story, it’s disingenuous and lame af.
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Rockhold took Bisping lightly.

I'm still waiting for an answer as to the difficulties khabib faced going from Tony to Al.

So where is it?? just because they both faced different opponents doesnt equivolate the stylistic challenges they faced in transitioning.

If you cant explain your argument then why even put in your 2 cents.
 
JKS said:
Who knows!

I am curious to see how this whole Tony vs Khabib resume thing plays out over the next two years. Of course the best thing that could happen is they get matched up lol.

Poirier or Holloway......tougher match up for Khabib?? Who wins this Sat?
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I think Poirier vs Holloway is a much closer fight than most seem to think. I think it's a 50/50 match up or at least close to that. Poirier might be a harder match up for Khabib as I think his ground game is better and he's a bit better at landing punches in closer range but I won't be suprised by any outcome in Poirier vs Holloway, they are both very well rounded.
 
NoBiasJustMMA said:
I think Poirier vs Holloway is a much closer fight than most seem to think. I think it's a 50/50 match up or at least close to that. Poirier might be a harder match up for Khabib as I think his ground game is better and he's a bit better at landing punches in closer range but I won't be suprised by any outcome in Poirier vs Holloway, they are both very well rounded.
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That's how I see it, 50/50. Curious to see how Max looks at 55 as well.
 
JRubin said:
Rockhold took Bisping lightly.

I'm still waiting for an answer as to the difficulties khabib faced going from Tony to Al.

So where is it?? just because they both faced different opponents doesnt equivolate the stylistic challenges they faced in transitioning.

If you cant explain your argument then why even put in your 2 cents.
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How the F* is Al similar to Tony? Keep it real bro.
 
migeru29 said:
How the F* is Al similar to Tony? Keep it real bro.
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I'll dumb it down for you, what will Khabib change in his training for Al that differs how he trained for Tony??

With Al it's working on his bottom game and heavy focus on his TDD. Both things he neglected heavily, and rightfully so, in his training for Felder.
 
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