Slipping

[shs101]

As a southpaw what do you think of slipping to the outside? Meaning Head to the right? I feel off balance when I do it I feel I have
To slip that much more and I open up my own blind spot to my left. What are the mandatory things to not when doing this? I know Lomanchenko does this his whole career and that's where I got the idea. He makes it look so effortless. Anyone do or teach this? I feel slipping to the inside is so much more natural.

 

[Sinister]

If you slip a jab to your left, you're in the crosshairs for every punch after that.

 

[roventu]

yes, slipping to the left feels much more natural. but i slip to the outside while i throw a left, or when i'm setting up a gazelle hook

 

[PivotPunch]

If you slip a jab to your left, you're in the crosshairs for every punch after that.

Then again is it really that bad? There are many good defensive fighters who not always but pretty often slipped jabs into the direction of the opponents power hand (southpaw and orthodox)

 

[DoctorTaco]

It's about keeping your head above your knee, not stretch in it out past it

 

[flyingweelkick]

Then again is it really that bad? There are many good defensive fighters who not always but pretty often slipped jabs into the direction of the opponents power hand (southpaw and orthodox)

It's definitely not "technically" correct, but it can work in a pinch. On the flip, it can also be one of those things that works out in lighter sparring but gets you brutalized in a fight.

A good bit of something to always practice while slipping is to make sure you're slip is out and in. Pop that head back to the center at the same speed as the slip so it can be moved again. If you get lazy and "hang your head out" where you just slipped, you're asking to get hit with the 2.

Firing or angling off at the very first moment you realize that you've slipped to the wrong side can also help. A sneaky flick jab works from there, just don't stick around.

 

[PivotPunch]

With my limited practical boxing knowledge I would take a guess and say that you have a very side on stance.

Plenty of southpaws slip more to their left than to their right and most of them have a very side on stance, slipping to the lead foot with a side on stance is awkward. Fighters with more squared stances often slip to their lead foot.

It also has to do with weight distibution as fighters who tend to slip to their lead foot often stay there and are front foot heavy (Marquez, Tyson sometimes) and those to prefer slipping to their rear foot also often stay there and stay back foot heavy

And its like a circle and creates speaking of stereotpyical fighters the front foot heavy, squared left hooking aggressive fighter and the back leg heavy, side on counterpuncher with a good straight rear punch

 

[Samuel Reynoso]

Against a tall, powerful, 1-2 fighter it's definitely dangerous to slip inside. That what 1-2 fighters are looking for. Deontay Wilder, Lennox Lewis, or those twins from Chicago are all guys who use the front foot as a yard stick and focus on keeping you lined up. They protect the outside angle, win the jab game, and keep the back hand loaded. They try to use left side superiority to leverage you into the right hand.

 

[aries]

^ if it's not because you have a side on stance like PivotPunch suggests then it could be because you aren't twisting enough and sinking down on your right leg. This happens if you try to do the slip with mostly body lean. If slip with more of a twisting motion as opposed to a lean then you should feel more balanced and make your slip more natural feeling, allowing you to go faster. The slip should be the same motion as you would sit down for a lead hook.

 

[flyingweelkick]

Against a tall, powerful, 1-2 fighter it's definitely dangerous to slip inside. That what 1-2 fighters are looking for. Deontay Wilder, Lennox Lewis, or those twins from Chicago are all guys who use the front foot as a yard stick and focus on keeping you lined up. They protect the outside angle, win the jab game, and keep the back hand loaded. They try to use left side superiority to leverage you into the right hand.

This is a good point. To add you your examples, Rory Macdonald generally does this very will in MMA.

 

[BigPapaShango]

There is a real good option to slip with a cross when your opponent (orthodox) throws a jab. This usually upsets the rhythm straight away.

After the slip and cross, try coming out by pivoting on your lead and spinning your back leg out, creating a strong angle to attach from.

 

[Samuel Reynoso]

Yeah, Rory is a good example... He's a frustrating guy to fight.

 

[PivotPunch]

It's definitely not "technically" correct, but it can work in a pinch. On the flip, it can also be one of those things that works out in lighter sparring but gets you brutalized in a fight.

A good bit of something to always practice while slipping is to make sure you're slip is out and in. Pop that head back to the center at the same speed as the slip so it can be moved again. If you get lazy and "hang your head out" where you just slipped, you're asking to get hit with the 2.

Firing or angling off at the very first moment you realize that you've slipped to the wrong side can also help. A sneaky flick jab works from there, just don't stick around.

Against a tall, powerful, 1-2 fighter it's definitely dangerous to slip inside. That what 1-2 fighters are looking for. Deontay Wilder, Lennox Lewis, or those twins from Chicago are all guys who use the front foot as a yard stick and focus on keeping you lined up. They protect the outside angle, win the jab game, and keep the back hand loaded. They try to use left side superiority to leverage you into the right hand.

But what about Tyson for example (for whatever reason he's always the exception I bring up).

He was basically designed to fight tall 1-2 fighters and he loved the inside slip.
Also why is it dangerous? i mean I know theoretically but still.
If you slip a jab to the outside then your head is still in line from a right hand, it's further away but still in line, I mean it's not where you slip to to avoid a right straight.

The path is longer so you have more time to react but you either need to block it which can if it doesnt work out perfectly throw you off balance or the right hand can still sneak behind your glove behind your head.
So the safest option from there is to either bob/duck the right hand or pull back, use your feet if you are quick enough and find another move to avoid it.

If you pull your head back from the inside slip, isn't that the worst thing you can do? You are basically perfectly in line for a follow up straight and your head is right back in the middle?

But if you slip to the inside why not just like tyson slip even further and/or bob down/change level with it and you basically avoid a 1-2 with one move.
Obviously it can be predictable if thats all you do and Tyson sometimes got caught with uppercuts when changing levels or still with straights or overhands but still it worked often?

I'm sure there's a reason why not to but I don't know it.

 

[aries]

But if you slip to the inside why not just like tyson slip even further and/or bob down/change level with it and you basically avoid a 1-2 with one move.
Obviously it can be predictable if thats all you do and Tyson sometimes got caught with uppercuts when changing levels or still with straights or overhands but still it worked often?

I'm sure there's a reason why not to but I don't know it.

Probably just because it expends more energy than just a simple slip. Tyson's style of fighting was very tiring. He knew that himself.

 

[Samuel Reynoso]

Tyson knew when to slip to the inside but the outside is definitely more safe. Outside can be a more passive move while inside slips require more forethought.

Tyson was designed to beat the Ali-wannabies of the 80s. Guys who would give up the right hand to flick out multiple jabs from a front foot pivot, but didn't have the Ali brain for setting traps. If you give up the right hand to land a jab you have to be ready for the guy to come in left, right, under, or over. Tyson could recognize when you didn't have a plan and close distinct like he didn't have a care in the world.

 

[roventu]

this is also southpaw 101, but if you're always giving up the outside foot advantage (letting them get their foot outside your foot), its much harder to slip right. I find that righthanders like to circle to their left and southpaws like to circle to their right, so its always a battle of that outside foot.

if both your feet are on the same tracks as theirs, its easy to slip both sides. but if they have the outside foot advantage, you can only slip left imo, slipping right would be putting your head right in front of them.

 

[TheFinerDetails]

Slipping inside isn't, "bad", it's just more aggressive (in my opinion anyway). Because you've effectively lined up with that back hand (regardless if you're southpaw or orthodox).

Either way, It's just not as simple as outside vs inside - what is better? - it's more of when to do either, and what you prefer doing for what reasons.
GGG Slips the jabs to the outside and inside, and actively counters with both methods. This makes him seem like an unjabable monster.

Don't just not do something. Test the waters in sparring and training and learn to feel normal in awkward situations. If you never learn to slip the inside, you'll never truly have a very aggressive pressure game (in my opinion anyway). Most fighters these days don't have trouble with someone slipping outside of them, it's pretty easy to roll the shot and reset.