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Discussion in 'Standup Technique' started by Forbiden1, Oct 3, 2005.

  1. Forbiden1

    Forbiden1 Green Belt

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    I accept my ignorance.

    Now i must know how can u train to get your elbows to slice the way Loussie and Florians do.

    I know its Muay Thai, but ive seen ppl throw elbows an they just cause bruises.

    What is the motion that causes the slice ? plz some1 explain, im really interested in knowi ng.

    Thanks.
     
  2. Brandinho

    Brandinho Guest

    Practice gauging distances. Use the rough tip of the elbow and try to make just enough contact with your target. Speed into it without sacrificing accuracy, rotate the rips for your power. You almost want to imagine scratching the target. The elbow should not stop at the target as if you were smashing their nose or aiming for the neck. It needs to go past the target after making contact if that makes any sense. It almost feels as if you missed your opponent.
     
  3. Forbiden1

    Forbiden1 Green Belt

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    I see.

    If i were to practice this on a heavy bag, its kinda like letting your elbow slip off the bag (opponent) im going to try it tommorow @ the gym. Thanks for the advice, i would like some more, being as how i will definately check the forum again b4 i go to gym tommorow evening.

    Will it matter, if u throw ur body into it ? Make the impact much more harder.
     
  4. Chthon

    Chthon Silver Belt

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    The body movement and power for a bruising elbow or a cutting elbow are exactly the same. The only difference is the part of the elbow used for impact, i.e., the blunt part further up or the tip. Also, the part of the face to aim for if you want to open a cut is just beneath or above the eye, that's the easiest way to do it.
     
  5. NoSmilez

    NoSmilez Red Belt

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    a muay thai elbow isn't designed to smash into the target but rather nick it with the tip and cause a cut. i usually imagine my elbow is a knife cutting through the bag. you don't need to smash your whole forearm into it.
     
  6. Sohei

    Sohei A Smocking gun

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    I think the overhand or downward elbow strike as opposed to the more common hooking elbow strike is the one that cuts more often as that is the one frequently banned in US Muay Thai bouts.
     
  7. Brandinho

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    You can throw your body into it for sure but try not to sacrifice speed and surprise for power. The strike should be quick and unexpected. If it strikes right then it won't matter because the cut will open up shortly. And yes, practice by letting it slip off the bag.
     
  8. TJS

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    Yea those elbows are alot diffrent (and more effective) than the smashing type Tito like to throw.
     
  9. meng_mao

    meng_mao this belt has flava

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    Be careful. Even on a leather bag, it's easy to get skinned up quick.
     
  10. Brandinho

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    Good point. It is not so bad on a leather bag. But if your gym has some old chewed up bags then there is no shame in wearing neoprene elbow covers (I don't call them pads since they offer no padding really).
     
  11. Forbiden1

    Forbiden1 Green Belt

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    Yah thanks for the tips, ill just try a couple, if i feel im getting scraped ill stop.
     
  12. Sinister

    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I assume this thread is coming mainly from David kicking the shit out of Evan on the UFC show. There's a couple of things I REALLY loved about that dude. First of all he was very remeniscant of Maurice Smith in how he handled being taken down. Evan is so known for his subbing ability and ground and pound, but did you notice how by keeping calm and intelligently placing his arms David almost NEVER took a clean hit or gave up positioning to lock in a submission? Like Smith against Coleman, he was just cognizant of his body and even in giving up his back, was never in an optimal position to be either subbed or GNP'ed. A lot of guys will talk shit about Evan's inability to sink in the choke, but that had a lot to do with David keeping his mouth wide open if you noticed. His chin at some points was glued to his collarbone and Evan couldn't get beneath it.

    Plus, I LOVED his kicks. Even though few of them landed he threw them FAST and HARD. If he would have pressed more aggresively I think he could have scored a KO with them. If he had tied them in at the end of punch combinations, the same. But he threw kicks like a kickboxer SHOULD, not like a kickboxer who absolutely FEARS the takedown. Instead he had kind of a "so what" approach to being taken down, and it worked against a VERY reputable fighter.

    Now, in terms of his elbows. First of all they're conditioned and conditioned well. It takes time to develope that razor sharpness, and the mental wherewithall to almost always land with the point of the elbow. Secondly, he twisted his hips and put most of his bodyweight into them if you noticed. They weren't just arm-elbows. In fact he missed one and almost landed completely on his side. He threw them from the guard-top position with reckless abandon, not caring if he smashed the floor or Evan's face to pieces.

    I was really impressed with that dude, and hope a lot of guys looking to improve their stand-up and defend takedowns and submissions learn from him.

    Koscheck however, all I have to say is....HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! You should never lead with your face my man.
     
  13. Brazilian HKD

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    which episode was that?
     
  14. Sinister

    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    It was the one that was on Monday (I think it played Saturday, too if I"m not mistaken, Ultimte Fight Night), Evan Tanner got his ass whooped. Face covered in blood. David L (I can't spell his last name) was one of the most impressive Striker's I've seen in quite a while in the UFC's.
     
  15. Sohei

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    I couldnt quite tell from teh camera angle if he was throwing a back kick or a spinning hook kick on one of those kicks. I agree his kicks were awesome, he is excellent at just exploding and not telegraphing his motions however I think he should have used more of a setup instead of just throwing them out of nowhere, pausing then repeating.
     
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    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Agreed, if he ties together combos he'll be the most deadly striker in MMA I've seen in quite a while.
     
  17. Porter

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    Agree.

    I loved his standup and g'n'p.


    He put everything into those elbows.. toes to knees to hips.. I was just like god damn son!
     
  18. deadlyshaolin

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    Loisseau looked very explosive, very nice. I like his style.

    Them 'bows was how they was meant to be thrown.
     
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    practice those on the heavy bag and you will have 2 red elbows my friend
     

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