Crime slave labor discovered in georgia in 2021!!

[terrapin]

Lol, next level TDS in this thread.

Mad Mick is the only person in this thread that is displaying TDS. But if the claim that the trump administration only went after the employees and did not go after the employer's is incorrect please tell me and I will change the TS.

I did not start this thread to divide people politically I started this thread because I think it is despicable that we have slave labor or the equivalent of slave labor in America.

We should all be disgusted by it.

 

[SummerStriker]

did you read the full article linked at bottom or just jump to condemn kyle who i included for those who wont read? if you have something that refutes a change in policy from trump to the the biden admin as kyle reported provide it and ill change the ts.


also any position on the slavery or do you just want to defend daddy? or maybe its like your take on the cop who shot a 70 year old crippled man in the back and you think they deserve it?

lol.

You're using too big of a brain. Sherdog is where people go to practice saying Hannity sound bite clips to own their liberal cousins or train for their staff writer positions on Fox and Friends. These mother fuckers won't read two full paragraphs if you don't break it up with pictures that do more showing than telling.

The whole point of the soft border is to reduce the cost of labor. That is what it is for.

Republicans want to reduce the cost of labor through union busting and deregulation, to pay for the loss of illegal labor they do half measures to keep out. Dems pretend to favor labor by, i don't know, increasing minimum wage to below its inflation adjusted level and encouraging unions in the giant international monopolies they legislated into existence, and they pay for that by keeping the border softer, which conservative business owners like.

 

[terrapin]

Some thoughts on the topic of slavery and history. A little off topic bit...oh well.

After having researched my lineage a few years back I got into the practice of perusing through old newspaper archives as a form of personal research into various topics. Nothing like reading the contemporary views of actual people from the time. One of those topics is slavery.

One thing I have found interesting is that many 'free' white people in the early to mid 1800s considered themselves slaves. They considered the wage system to be a form of slavery even worse than that of chattel slavery. They would argue that the chattel slaves were at least given basic provisions. And due to the social norms of the time, according to these folks, granted the average slave a degree of protection from abuse and mistreatment(yes there were 'SJWs' in the 1800s). To the contrary the average poor white person being responsible for his own food, clothing, and shelter while also having no means to gain and own land meant they were forced to sell their bodies and their labor to these employers(ie masters) for very little pay and without the social norms protecting them from abuse and mistreatment. To not sell yourself to an employer/master meant you couldn't survive.

Im not sure I agree with all of these sentiments but I do understand them and find them enlightening. Reading about this common plight for 'free' Americans of time has given me a greater appreciation for some of the labor laws, unions, and what not that grew out of all this.

A completely capitalist economy with no protection for the worker and no responsibility toward society on the part of employers and corporations does indeed result in a form of slavery for the average person. The only problem is that the solutions to this problem can quickly roll into socialism and/or communism thereby creating an even worse problem.

This is a good post. New sentence interestingly this may be this may be not a case of actual slavery because the workers were getting paid. But just like in your post their treatment was worse than many slaves. Some workers were digging onions by hand without tools and we're only getting 20 cents a bucket it. It is unclear whether after paying for housing and travel costs they were even able to make money while working

Add to that the deplorable conditions electric fences in some cases trailers with no potable water or sewer systems and threat of violence and the unfair rules around the particular Visa being used which lock the employee into working for only one employer and the Visa is lost if they leave that employer and you have some pretty terrible and unjust conditions.

 

[Ophydian]

I think we all had the inclination that human trafficking like this was taking place here and ther. The difference between America and places like UAE, Saudi, Qatar is that the US government is not a aiding and abetting the human trafficers . When out government discovers such stuff, it goes after the perpertrators. In the Gulf, the governments go after activists who try to bring attention to the human rights violations.

Maybe not the federal government but you would think that local county officials knew something was going on at these farms.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

These people were sponsored into the country through legal visas it is Americans who brought them in illegally to force labor out of them but the visas are legal. In this case there is no way to blame it on the immigrants who thought they were coming over legally and in good conscience.

I think you should read your own article, as per the very start

"
ATLANTA — A yearslong human trafficking operation trapped migrant workers in “modern-day slavery” on South Georgia farms, according to a federal indictment unsealed last week.

Victims include over one hundred laborers smuggled from Mexico and Central America"

Since when is being smuggled the same as coming over legally? It seems they were human trafficked through the border, and then mail fraud was used to make them seem like legal migrant workers so that the contractors supplying the workers would seem legal to the farmers they were supplying the workers too.

Which is in the article here:

may be one of the largest-ever human trafficking and visa fraud investigations in the country, VICE News reported.

 

[terrapin]

I think you should read your own article, as per the very start

"
ATLANTA — A yearslong human trafficking operation trapped migrant workers in “modern-day slavery” on South Georgia farms, according to a federal indictment unsealed last week.

Victims include over one hundred laborers smuggled from Mexico and Central America"

Since when is being smuggled the same as coming over legally? It seems they were human trafficked through the border, and then mail fraud was used to make them seem like legal migrant workers so that the contractors supplying the workers would seem legal to the farmers they were supplying the workers too.

Which is in the article here:

may be one of the largest-ever human trafficking and visa fraud investigations in the country, VICE News reported.

it talks about the misuse of visas too. the workers had visas. maybe both senarios were taking place though.....

Per the indictment, the exploited foreign workers were admitted to the U.S. through fraudulent use of the H-2A guest-worker visa program, which has been booming in Georgia as farmers struggle to find domestic sources of labor. According to the federal Office of Foreign Labor Certification, Georgia had 27,614 H-2A positions certified in fiscal year 2020, up from roughly 5,500 in fiscal year 2010. Georgia is second only to Florida for most H-2A workers in the nation.

Under the H-2A program, worker’s legal status in the U.S. is contingent on remaining under the employment of the party that sponsored their visa. Mercado-Spencer said that structure can put workers at disadvantage, with limited worker protections included in the program being overlooked.

any comment on americans sponsoring slave labor though?

cottagecheesefan-- i added the relevant part of the article in italics. "workers legal status"

 

[terrapin]

You're using too big of a brain. Sherdog is where people go to practice saying Hannity sound bite clips to own their liberal cousins or train for their staff writer positions on Fox and Friends. These mother fuckers won't read two full paragraphs if you don't break it up with pictures that do more showing than telling.

The whole point of the soft border is to reduce the cost of labor. That is what it is for.

Republicans want to reduce the cost of labor through union busting and deregulation, to pay for the loss of illegal labor they do half measures to keep out. Dems pretend to favor labor by, i don't know, increasing minimum wage to below its inflation adjusted level and encouraging unions in the giant international monopolies they legislated into existence, and they pay for that by keeping the border softer, which conservative business owners like.

sounds like you're saying both sides are exploiting cheap labor in their own ways. that is not partisan enough for sherdog.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

it talks about the misuse of visas too. the workers had visas. maybe both senarios were taking place though.....

any comment on americans sponsoring slave labor though?

Not surprised? That is why the border needs to be closed, since it enables not only slave labor, but sex slaves as well. There are evil people everywhere.

And yes the misuse of Visas, which is all the mail fraud. It wouldn't be mail fraud is the slave workers did it themselves legally... It is once they have the workers, that were smuggled in, they used mail fraud to obtain these visas so that they seemed legal to the farmers that used them.

 

[terrapin]

Not surprised? That is why the border needs to be closed, since it enables not only slave labor, but sex slaves as well. There are evil people everywhere.

And yes the misuse of Visas, which is all the mail fraud. It wouldn't be mail fraud is the slave workers did it themselves legally... It is once they have the workers, that were smuggled in, they used mail fraud to obtain these visas so that they seemed legal to the farmers that used them.

what you are saying is not stated in the article at all. it seems to be saying that the american criminals are the ones who committed fraud. it is saying that in fact. the immigrants were the victims of this fraud.


in fact the article does not say the visas were false. it says the particular type of visa used puts workers in a position to be exploited.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

what you are saying is not stated in the article at all. it seems to be saying that the american criminals are the ones who committed fraud. it is saying that in fact. the immigrants were the victims of this fraud.


in fact the article does not say the visas were false. it says the particular type of visa used puts workers in a position to be exploited.

It explicitly says VISA FRAUD, fraud is a synonym for FALSE. I already quoted that exact line from your article.

"dubbed “Operation Blooming Onion” – may be one of the largest-ever human trafficking and visa fraud investigations in the country, VICE News reported."


https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/fraudulent

Synonyms & Antonyms of fraudulent


1marked by, based on, or done by the use of dishonest methods to acquire something of value

• hoping to get millions from the insurance company, the man made the fraudulent claim that he had been seriously injured in the accident

Synonyms for fraudulent

• crooked,
• deceitful,
• defrauding,
• dishonest,
• double-dealing,
• false

 

[terrapin]

It explicitly says VISA FRAUD, fraud is a synonym for FALSE. I already quoted that exact line from your article.

"dubbed “Operation Blooming Onion” – may be one of the largest-ever human trafficking and visa fraud investigations in the country, VICE News reported."


https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/fraudulent

Synonyms & Antonyms of fraudulent


1marked by, based on, or done by the use of dishonest methods to acquire something of value

• hoping to get millions from the insurance company, the man made the fraudulent claim that he had been seriously injured in the accident

Synonyms for fraudulent

• crooked,
• deceitful,
• defrauding,
• dishonest,
• double-dealing,
• false

it also says the immigrants had legal status so its not perfectly clear.


but why are you blaming the victims in this case? you do know it was american citizens that broke the law here right? and had slaves.......

 

[44nutman]

Can you provide a link that doesn’t look like my login info is going to be copied and or my Amazon account hijacked?

Here is a Link.

 

[Tairy Hesticles]

The story is far from unbelievable - but Kyle Kulinski's an unreliable commentator. I don't think he's knowingly dishonest, but he's often got a very poor grasp of the topics he covers.

No, he is.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

it also says the people had legal status so its not perfectly clear.


but why are you blaming the victims in this case? you do know it was american citizens that broke the law here right?

Show me in your article or the other articles posted, where it says any of the victims came over legally and/or applied for the VISAs themselves

Also show me where I blamed the victims? I want to protect the victims by saying an open border leads to stuff like this, as it says they were smuggled in through Mexico and Central America. Securing the border limits people being smuggled in through the border that are victims of human trafficking.

 

[Scerpi]

These types of operations have been going on for longer than you think. I believe tyson chicken even used illegal labor back in the day, and were eventually caught.

But something about this particular article seems off, It's a little difficult for me to find these claims detailed anywhere else

Edit* Here are the indicted individuals:

• Maria Leticia Patricio, 70, of Nichols, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; two counts of Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Daniel Mendoza, 40, of Ruskin, Fla., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Nery Rene Carrillo-Najarro, 56, Douglas, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; 14 counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Antonio Chavez Ramos, a/k/a “Tony Chavez,” 38, a citizen of Mexico illegally present in the United States, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; four counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• JC Longoria Castro, 46, Vidalia, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; four counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Victoria Chavez Hernandez, 38, a citizen of Mexico illegally present in the United States, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Enrique Duque Tovar, 36, of Axon, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; nine counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Jose Carmen Duque Tovar, 58, of Axon, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; nine counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Charles Michael King, 31, of Waycross, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Stanley Neal McGauley, 38, of Waycross, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Luis Alberto Martinez, a/k/a “Chino Martinez,” 41, of Tifton, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Delia Ibarra Rojas, 33, of Lyons, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; three counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Juana Ibarra Carrillo, 46, of Alma, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Donna Michelle Rojas, a/k/a “Donna Lucio,” 33, of Collins, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; three counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Margarita Rojas Cardenas, a/k/a “Maggie Cardenas,” 43, of Reidsville, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; three counts of Forced Labor; Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering; and Tampering with a Witness;
• Juan Fransisco Alvarez Campos, 42, a citizen of Mexico illegally present in the United States, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Rosalvo Garcia Martinez, a/k/a “Chava Garcia,” 33, of Haines City, Fla., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering; and Tampering with a Witness;
• Esther Ibarra Garcia, 63, of Dade City, Fla., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; three counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Rodolfo Martinez Maciel, 26, a citizen of Mexico illegally present in the United States, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; three counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Brett Donavan Bussey, 39, of Tifton, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; four counts of Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering; and Tampering with a Witness;
• Linda Jean Facundo, 36, of Tifton, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Gumara Canela, 34, of Alma, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; 14 counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Daniel Merari Canela Diaz, 24, a citizen of Mexico illegally present in the United States, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering; and,
• Carla Yvonne Salinas, 28, of Laredo, Texas, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering.

Here's a link with the case

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdga/p...-allegations-south-georgia-federal-indictment

Hispanic on Hispanic Crime!!!

Still White Supremist though...

 

[woodguyatl]

Can you provide a link that doesn’t look like my login info is going to be copied and or my Amazon account hijacked?

Link to The Atlanta Journal Constitution. This same link is in the OP as well.
https://nordot.app/839654009153142784?c=592622757532812385

 

[terrapin]

Show me in your article or the other articles posted, where it says any of the victims came over legally and/or applied for the VISAs themselves

Also show me where I blamed the victims? I want to protect the victims by saying an open border leads to stuff like this, as it says they were smuggled in through Mexico and Central America. Securing the border limits people being smuggled in through the border that are victims of human trafficking.

i already did twice. even put the relevant part in red. here is another bit---


"To prevent escapes, members of the accused crime ring unlawfully confiscated workers’ passports and documents"

 

[woodguyatl]

Show me in your article or the other articles posted, where it says any of the victims came over legally and/or applied for the VISAs themselves

Also show me where I blamed the victims? I want to protect the victims by saying an open border leads to stuff like this, as it says they were smuggled in through Mexico and Central America. Securing the border limits people being smuggled in through the border that are victims of human trafficking.

According to local coverage they all entered with valid visas but the visas were obtained by the recruiters illegally because they new that the workers would be shopped to other employers which is not allowed.

 

[salamander]

delete

 

[Tentacle Grape]

These types of operations have been going on for longer than you think. I believe tyson chicken even used illegal labor back in the day, and were eventually caught.

But something about this particular article seems off, It's a little difficult for me to find these claims detailed anywhere else

Edit* Here are the indicted individuals:

• Maria Leticia Patricio, 70, of Nichols, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; two counts of Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Daniel Mendoza, 40, of Ruskin, Fla., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Nery Rene Carrillo-Najarro, 56, Douglas, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; 14 counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Antonio Chavez Ramos, a/k/a “Tony Chavez,” 38, a citizen of Mexico illegally present in the United States, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; four counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• JC Longoria Castro, 46, Vidalia, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; four counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Victoria Chavez Hernandez, 38, a citizen of Mexico illegally present in the United States, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Enrique Duque Tovar, 36, of Axon, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; nine counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Jose Carmen Duque Tovar, 58, of Axon, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; nine counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Charles Michael King, 31, of Waycross, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Stanley Neal McGauley, 38, of Waycross, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Luis Alberto Martinez, a/k/a “Chino Martinez,” 41, of Tifton, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Delia Ibarra Rojas, 33, of Lyons, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; three counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Juana Ibarra Carrillo, 46, of Alma, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Donna Michelle Rojas, a/k/a “Donna Lucio,” 33, of Collins, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; three counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Margarita Rojas Cardenas, a/k/a “Maggie Cardenas,” 43, of Reidsville, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; three counts of Forced Labor; Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering; and Tampering with a Witness;
• Juan Fransisco Alvarez Campos, 42, a citizen of Mexico illegally present in the United States, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Rosalvo Garcia Martinez, a/k/a “Chava Garcia,” 33, of Haines City, Fla., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering; and Tampering with a Witness;
• Esther Ibarra Garcia, 63, of Dade City, Fla., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; three counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Rodolfo Martinez Maciel, 26, a citizen of Mexico illegally present in the United States, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; three counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Brett Donavan Bussey, 39, of Tifton, Ga., charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; four counts of Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering; and Tampering with a Witness;
• Linda Jean Facundo, 36, of Tifton, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Gumara Canela, 34, of Alma, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; 14 counts of Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering;
• Daniel Merari Canela Diaz, 24, a citizen of Mexico illegally present in the United States, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering; and,
• Carla Yvonne Salinas, 28, of Laredo, Texas, charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mail Fraud; Conspiracy to Engage in Forced Labor; and Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering.

Here's a link with the case

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdga/p...-allegations-south-georgia-federal-indictment

in GA all the chicken farmers were illegal aliens