Slamming to escape a triangle or pass guard

[TheRapist]

Why don't more people do this in MMA a la Hughes-Newton (and yes I know Hughes passed out before dropping Newton) or Sapp-Nog? Is it that difficult? There are a lot of strong mother fuckers out there.

 

[batman69]

you use a lot of energy lifting the other person to slam them. if they are really good they will hook something so you can't just lift them up and slam them. also there is a risk that even after you slam them they won't let go of the hold and you'll be deeper in the hold.

 

[letsgotribe9]

also there is a risk that even after you slam them they won't let go of the hold and you'll be deeper in the hold.

But if you're stuck in a triangle anyway, is it not worth it to attempt an escape?

 

[Q mystic]

Well yes, if you can slam them, do it. Too many better guys know to take the leg tho. Rampage was more the minority I think because Arona was pretty overconfident that it was in deep. I believe that Arona would have had it with a few more seconds. If he took the ankle, he won.

 

[TJS]

alot of jiu jitsu guys dont train like that..and they should

 

[Trytohitme]

Too easy to counter but sometimes it's worth a try. Last night I had a guy in my closed guard and he slammed me a couple of times and he almost got free before I took his ankle. So if you're quick about it maybe it will work but it shouldn't be your first option.

 

[Q mystic]

Too easy to counter but sometimes it's worth a try. Last night I had a guy in my closed guard and he slammed me a couple of times and he almost got free before I took his ankle. So if you're quick about it maybe it will work but it shouldn't be your first option.

Should be your 1st option.

 

[Gavin LeFever]

The better question is why don't BJJ blackbelts hook the leg whe nthey triangle? There's no excuse for Arona, Newton, or anyone else. Just hook a leg.

If you have a triangle, hooking the leg not only stops the slam, but it can be used to help you turn to make a better angle and even dump him over.

If you're in guard and you're lifted up, just jump back to standing and learn to strike or score a legitimate takedown.

If you're in guard and he stands without lifting you, then work a sweep.

 

[batman69]

But if you're stuck in a triangle anyway, is it not worth it to attempt an escape?

there are so many better ways to escape the triangle. that may come from me being a technique over force guy.

 

[Trytohitme]

Should be your 1st option.

You're saying it should be your first option? Please explain. It's not that I doubt you, I know you have more experience than I do.

 

[DjHnd]

what if they stack you when u have a triangle on, like learn forward and drop down on your neck?

 

[NJCarder]

what if they stack you when u have a triangle on, like learn forward and drop down on your neck?

when i am about to be stacked while i have a triangle i just rotate my hips one way or the other and then they fall over...when they fall over its pretty much done with

 

[Sixth]

The problem with Jiu-Jitsu competitions is that they're too soft. Even in Submission Wrestling, you'll get called for hard, dramatic throw and slams.
The thing about wasted energy applies, but moreso to people who don't know how to properly lift, pop their hips, or have never done a power clean in their lives. Still, the result of slamming a guy out of a triangle may not be any more favorable than executing a simple escape. It's just up to the person performing the move, and the situation. Anyway, I'm all for slamming out of holds as a viable option.
Slamming out of guard can be a whole different matter, though.

 

[Ghost Dog]

But if you're stuck in a triangle anyway, is it not worth it to attempt an escape?

yes, but in BJJ, theres two escapes that are much better and use way less energy than slamming the guy. one (triangle), is if hes triangling your left side, you step over his stomach with your left leg, and belly down... itll free the triangle (rhalan gracie did this in his GFC fight, and it was sunk wayyyy deep). the second, involves pulling the knee down and trapping it, then pushing it with your shoulders (itll force him to open his legs). i would try both of these over a slam anyday!

but id prefer to watch someone get slammed then use these escapes.... viva la rampage.

 

[Sixth]

yes, but in BJJ, theres two escapes that are much better and use way less energy than slamming the guy. one (triangle), is if hes triangling your left side, you step over his stomach with your left leg, and belly down... itll free the triangle (rhalan gracie did this in his GFC fight, and it was sunk wayyyy deep). the second, involves pulling the knee down and trapping it, then pushing it with your shoulders (itll force him to open his legs). i would try both of these over a slam anyday!

but id prefer to watch someone get slammed then use these escapes.... viva la rampage.

Exactly. There are a myriad of ways to get out of these kinds of situations, and lifts aren't always the answer. I would just like them to be an option outside of MMA.

 

[Gavin LeFever]

Not getting Trianged is a sweet counter too. They teach it in Gracie Jiu Jitsu.

 

[norcal313]

alot of jiu jitsu guys dont train like that..and they should

No-gi Jiu Jitsu, yes.

Traditional Jiu Jitsu, no.

 

[Sixth]

Not getting Trianged is a sweet counter too. They teach it in Gracie Jiu Jitsu.

Of course, not having to play defense is the best scenario. Still, you roll long enough, you're going to find yourself in situations that call for different measures of defense. I honestly don't find myself in a triangle that often, but when I do I make a point to make the escape fairly aggressive. Even a simple shuck to pass the legs I do with a good amount of force, so I don't end up only halfway out. If I can afford to take my time, I'll take a more plodding route out. If I have time and balance, I'll usually step over, slip out, look for leg control.

 

[JSN]

The problem with Jiu-Jitsu competitions is that they're too soft. Even in Submission Wrestling, you'll get called for hard, dramatic throw and slams.
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yeah i hear you on that but they're just trying to make them as safe as possible. it's hard to draw the line between a "clean" slam and one that could paralyze someone.

 

[Bama Zulu]

The better question is why don't BJJ blackbelts hook the leg whe nthey triangle? There's no excuse for Arona, Newton, or anyone else. Just hook a leg.
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I hope you the almighty master of MMA has forgiven your subjects, because everyone knows that NOBODY forgets technique in a fight, especially when they get excited.