Sit-ups, crunches, etc = useless.

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So I went to the physio today and was chatting about boxing/kickboxing/mma etc, and when I mentioned what type of training I'd been doing he said that crunches and sit-ups were essentially useless.

His reckoning went like this. Crunches build up a mass of muscles that are effective in protecting your internal organs from blows, but they are not really useful when it comes to delivering power. If you want to hit with the full force of your body weight you have to have a really strong lower back, obliques, upper back (core) and neck area so that the energy isn't dissapated and absorbed back into your body before the actual punch/kick lands.

So with that in mind, does anyone know of, or anyone do any killer lower back, core, etc exercises?
 
Treadly said:
So with that in mind, does anyone know of, or anyone do any killer lower back, core, etc exercises?
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Are you fucking serious? Come to S&P and read the FAQ.


DEADLIFT MOTHER FUCKER! DO YOU SPEAK IT?!
 
Deadlifts, Back Extensions, Barbell Twists, Overhead Squats (for the upper back/shoulder stabilization)

Still, you need to develop both the 'front' and 'back' of your body. Just like your chest wont get bigger/stronger if you have a tiny weak back.
 
vince89 said:
Deadlifts, Back Extensions, Barbell Twists, Overhead Squats (for the upper back/shoulder stabilization)

Still, you need to develop both the 'front' and 'back' of your body. Just like your chest wont get bigger/stronger if you have a tiny weak back.
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Not those...there's no actual resistance unless you count stopping the rotation of the bar, which is mostly just a good way to tear stuff.
 
the answer is obvious really

squat and deadlift
 
As a rower, I'm obligated to mention that spending time on the rowing ergometer is great for strengthening your back. It takes some getting used to, but if you do some of your cardio on there it will save you time doing deadlifts and the like, plus increase the endurance of those muscles rather than just strength.
 
Treadly said:
So I went to the physio today and was chatting about boxing/kickboxing/mma etc, and when I mentioned what type of training I'd been doing he said that crunches and sit-ups were essentially useless.

His reckoning went like this. Crunches build up a mass of muscles that are effective in protecting your internal organs from blows, but they are not really useful when it comes to delivering power. If you want to hit with the full force of your body weight you have to have a really strong lower back, obliques, upper back (core) and neck area so that the energy isn't dissapated and absorbed back into your body before the actual punch/kick lands.

So with that in mind, does anyone know of, or anyone do any killer lower back, core, etc exercises?
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Punching power comes from Your lower extremeties which travels upwards to your back and rotational muscles.



But what do you think connects them all? Thats right your Abdominals. Sit-ups will never be useless thats a pretty good indication that your physio therapist is a moron
 
I would think the most limiting factor would be the legs. That is what pushes against the floor. The power comes from the push against the floor in the legs according to Bas.

I would think you need conditioned core and rotational muscles for speed of delivery.
 
Tabris said:
I would think the most limiting factor would be the legs. That is what pushes against the floor. The power comes from the push against the floor in the legs according to Bas.

I would think you need conditioned core and rotational muscles for speed of delivery.
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the limiting factor is the weakest link.

are your legs weaker than the other parts of your chain? usually not, but it's possible.
 
Fight_Song said:
the limiting factor is the weakest link.

are your legs weaker than the other parts of your chain? usually not, but it's possible.
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I was more implying that if the poster wanted to beef up a muscle group, the legs would probably be a better bang for the buck.
 
Just do lots of curls, preferably in the squat rack.


"DEADLIFT MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT" <<< end of thread
 
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