Side Cage clinching should not be scored until something significant happens

because a takedown is just a transition from standing to going to the ground... Do you score it a takedown when a bjj guy pulls guard for the purpose of it becoming better for him to be on the floor? or will you give points to the guy who is on top sitting in the guys guard just because "hes on top"? Its what you do with that takedown that should score points... are you landing from full guard? are you transitioning from full guard into half guard? or side control? are you attempting sub attempts? or GnP? Those things what should count... not the takedown itself....

Yes that would be harder to convince than what im talking about, but in a perfect world thats how i would score it, i think that is a lot more balanced system then the one we got currently.
In wresting and judo, takedown are what they are trying to do. MMA is a mix of wrestling, striking and grappling, so as light hits counts, takedowns also should be counted regardless of wheather they get up immedietaly or they keep lying. Takedown is not just a transition. It is when guy takes and throws opponent down. point to the guy on top is called control. takedowns is only things from wrestling and they should be scored separately from grappling. BJJ guys shouldn't be scored anything for the attempts. Because if they succeed they get submission, but if they can't submit, they are failure.
 
The fact is Usman was doing more in terms of strikes than Masvidal was in those clinches. It fucking sucked, but Usman did outperform Masvidal.
 
Kamaru Usman's coach is a genius. He crafted a style that capitalizes on the loopholes of the current rule system. There's absolutely no fighting style more efficient on exploiting the deficiency of the structure of the fight world than Kamaru Usman's.

Of course, you cannot just be ANYBODY to have a style like Kamaru. You have to be quite big and have tremendous cardio - they are requirements. Once you accomplish these two requisites, all you have to do is hug your opponent against the cage and stomp on their feet and perform shoulder shrugs just so that they fight is not separated. Not only are your strikes being counted on your favor despite having ZERO damage output, but you will never lose a single fight (as long as you are big, strong, and have tremendous cardio; this way, you have the ability and advantage to do so in the first place).

You will always win this way, and never be at risk, regardless of doing nothing.

This revolutionary style will hereby be named "STALL-CLINCH." Goodbye forever, Thai clinch.


You must have watched the fight through your fanboy glasses if you think all Usman did was hug and stomp feet with out inflicting any damage to Masvidal.
He landed some good elbows, nasty knees to the leg, many nasty body punches, some good head strikes, a few good take downs and controlled the entire
fight.

It wasn't a striking clinic but it was not only wall and stall like you guys are pretending either.

Re watch the fight without the glasses this time, you'll see.
 
A bunch of whiny hoes on this site.
How many threads are going to be made on this. Your boy lost get over it.
There are hundreds of fights per year. Most of them are trading punches. Don't worry.
The 2019 fighter of the year just got shut out. Deal with it.
 
People give shit to Ropes in pride but it made wall and stalling a lot harder to do. A lot of it is on Masvidal however and his inability to stop running back to the cage and or do anything at all. Dude was passive in a fucking title fight. Masvidal will never not cruise unless he is kicking the shit out of you.

agreed .. it’s cause the ropes are a uneven surface .. so u can just wall n stall .. it’s more realistic too
 
A bunch of whiny hoes on this site.
How many threads are going to be made on this. Your boy lost get over it.
There are hundreds of fights per year. Most of them are trading punches. Don't worry.
The 2019 fighter of the year just got shut out. Deal with it.
It’s not about masival dummy.. it’s about wanting the sport to be the best it can be .. If even BJJ can change its rules to make it more appealing and stop stalling surely MMA can do the same
 
It’s not about masival dummy.. it’s about wanting the sport to be the best it can be .. If even BJJ can change its rules to make it more appealing and stop stalling surely MMA can do the same

Well moron I don't see you complaining about Conor not have defended the belt.
I think the fact that we have a Champ that is willing to fight the #1 contender is good for the sport.
Of course if you're just looking for entertainment & not the best MMA guy, then you should consider WWE.
 
Well moron I don't see you complaining about Conor not have defended the belt.
I think the fact that we have a Champ that is willing to fight the #1 contender is good for the sport.
Of course if you're just looking for entertainment & not the best MMA guy, then you should consider WWE.
What the hell are u rambling on about ? Change the subject much ???
And since when was mas the number 1 Contender ?

Enjoy your “technical wall and stall”
 
Mas was the only one able to fight mindless. The point is he is willing. And yes I will enjoy Usman dominating. He was not stalling you robot sheep redundant fool.
 
Colby won his rounds against RDA hugging him up on the cage and kneeing him in the thigh.
 
In wresting and judo, takedown are what they are trying to do. MMA is a mix of wrestling, striking and grappling, so as light hits counts, takedowns also should be counted regardless of wheather they get up immedietaly or they keep lying. Takedown is not just a transition. It is when guy takes and throws opponent down. point to the guy on top is called control. takedowns is only things from wrestling and they should be scored separately from grappling. BJJ guys shouldn't be scored anything for the attempts. Because if they succeed they get submission, but if they can't submit, they are failure.

This isnt wrestling or Judo, and while certain things(not all) can be effective in MMA, the scoring system is totally different and should not reflect a takedown as it would be scored in wrestling or judo for multiple reasons i provide in the previous post.... A light jab does not get counted nearly as much as a take down that leads to no offense and the other fighter gets up.... Look at Volk vs Holloway... he got take downs that lasted a few seconds, did 0 dmg, no transitions, and Max got back up, but i promise you those take downs swayed the rounds easily, and there are billions of other examples where 1 take down instantly sealed the round for a fighter ignoring basically all other offense that did not produce a knockdown or a finish.

And the "control" argument is extremely out dated, hence the point that many people are making about the out dated scoring system/rules, Control is a relative term, again i provided you an example with a bjj fighter pulling guard, he would be on the bottom, even though thats where he is at an advantage, and by these rules he would be losing simply because the guy is on top even though he has less chance to win there. Control can mean so many things and is such a loose term, Control should be a momentary pause into a transition to improve your position or to land significant strikes.

Example Masivdal vs Usman, Usman is clinching Masvidal into the fence, yes Usman initiated the clinch and you can see he is "controlling" Masvidal, however that "control" produced no offense, no takedowns, no significant strikes(toe taps and shoulder bumps are not significant idc what anyone says) so is Usman actually doing anything more to score points then a guy doing the same thing just with his back against the cage? They are both foot stomping and both shoulder striking....neither is achieving any success then the other....yet 1 gets credit and points the other does not....and how much is that control worth? If Usman has Masvidal against the cage for 3 minutes of 1 round, but lands no takedowns no sub attempts or significant strikes, how does that compare to Masvidal landing 5 significant head strikes and 3 hard leg kicks? Which did more damage? Which scored more? Thats why the word "control" is totally out dated term that needs to be replaced, re imagined and what ever replaced it needs to better emphasize what MMA is all about and that is not stalling against the cage for 90% of the round simply to win on points ignoring the martial arts part of it.
 
This isnt wrestling or Judo, and while certain things(not all) can be effective in MMA, the scoring system is totally different and should not reflect a takedown as it would be scored in wrestling or judo for multiple reasons i provide in the previous post.... A light jab does not get counted nearly as much as a take down that leads to no offense and the other fighter gets up.... Look at Volk vs Holloway... he got take downs that lasted a few seconds, did 0 dmg, no transitions, and Max got back up, but i promise you those take downs swayed the rounds easily, and there are billions of other examples where 1 take down instantly sealed the round for a fighter ignoring basically all other offense that did not produce a knockdown or a finish.

And the "control" argument is extremely out dated, hence the point that many people are making about the out dated scoring system/rules, Control is a relative term, again i provided you an example with a bjj fighter pulling guard, he would be on the bottom, even though thats where he is at an advantage, and by these rules he would be losing simply because the guy is on top even though he has less chance to win there. Control can mean so many things and is such a loose term, Control should be a momentary pause into a transition to improve your position or to land significant strikes.

Example Masivdal vs Usman, Usman is clinching Masvidal into the fence, yes Usman initiated the clinch and you can see he is "controlling" Masvidal, however that "control" produced no offense, no takedowns, no significant strikes(toe taps and shoulder bumps are not significant idc what anyone says) so is Usman actually doing anything more to score points then a guy doing the same thing just with his back against the cage? They are both foot stomping and both shoulder striking....neither is achieving any success then the other....yet 1 gets credit and points the other does not....and how much is that control worth? If Usman has Masvidal against the cage for 3 minutes of 1 round, but lands no takedowns no sub attempts or significant strikes, how does that compare to Masvidal landing 5 significant head strikes and 3 hard leg kicks? Which did more damage? Which scored more? Thats why the word "control" is totally out dated term that needs to be replaced, re imagined and what ever replaced it needs to better emphasize what MMA is all about and that is not stalling against the cage for 90% of the round simply to win on points ignoring the martial arts part of it.
If bjj fighter have an advantage he should submit, if he didn't submit he should lose by decision.
 
This isnt wrestling or Judo, and while certain things(not all) can be effective in MMA, the scoring system is totally different and should not reflect a takedown as it would be scored in wrestling or judo for multiple reasons i provide in the previous post.... A light jab does not get counted nearly as much as a take down that leads to no offense and the other fighter gets up.... Look at Volk vs Holloway... he got take downs that lasted a few seconds, did 0 dmg, no transitions, and Max got back up, but i promise you those take downs swayed the rounds easily, and there are billions of other examples where 1 take down instantly sealed the round for a fighter ignoring basically all other offense that did not produce a knockdown or a finish.

And the "control" argument is extremely out dated, hence the point that many people are making about the out dated scoring system/rules, Control is a relative term, again i provided you an example with a bjj fighter pulling guard, he would be on the bottom, even though thats where he is at an advantage, and by these rules he would be losing simply because the guy is on top even though he has less chance to win there. Control can mean so many things and is such a loose term, Control should be a momentary pause into a transition to improve your position or to land significant strikes.

Example Masivdal vs Usman, Usman is clinching Masvidal into the fence, yes Usman initiated the clinch and you can see he is "controlling" Masvidal, however that "control" produced no offense, no takedowns, no significant strikes(toe taps and shoulder bumps are not significant idc what anyone says) so is Usman actually doing anything more to score points then a guy doing the same thing just with his back against the cage? They are both foot stomping and both shoulder striking....neither is achieving any success then the other....yet 1 gets credit and points the other does not....and how much is that control worth? If Usman has Masvidal against the cage for 3 minutes of 1 round, but lands no takedowns no sub attempts or significant strikes, how does that compare to Masvidal landing 5 significant head strikes and 3 hard leg kicks? Which did more damage? Which scored more? Thats why the word "control" is totally out dated term that needs to be replaced, re imagined and what ever replaced it needs to better emphasize what MMA is all about and that is not stalling against the cage for 90% of the round simply to win on points ignoring the martial arts part of it.
judges everywhere not scoring rounds by sitting and counting number of punches with calculator. They pick winner based by impression, like in a street fight. Being on top always associated with a dominating, being in bottom is associated with humilation. Being thrown down is always a humilation and embarassement. and if it is fairly even striking round when nobody clearly beating the shit of another, then takedowns is what decides outcome of a round. Because most of the punches is anyway just slaps. And they are not counting punches like they did in boxing in the Olympics before.
 
Mas was the only one able to fight mindless. The point is he is willing. And yes I will enjoy Usman dominating. He was not stalling you robot sheep redundant fool.
you are correct, he wasn’t stalling .. The technical Foot stomp striking Of Usman prevented the ref from breaking up the riveting display of wall hugging.
 
Along with takedowns that don't result in at least bettering your position, g-n-p, submission attempts; fighters, Volk, will spam a takedown and do nothing and be rewarded a close round or a round that would have gone to an opponent.

Wall -n- stall is the biggest bullshit ever.

A takedown should still score regardless, like a single strike. Judges now are just retarded and treat a takedown that goes nowhere the same as 10-20 significant strikes when it comes to scoring.
 
If bjj fighter have an advantage he should submit, if he didn't submit he should lose by decision.
thats one of the dumbest statements you could of made to try and make some sort of point... yikes.....
 
Its just a bad habit of ATT guys.
Lawler in the Hendricks rematch which he barely scraped a win in did the same thing. Sat on the wall and was passive for a good amount of exchanges. This only changed when he left btw.
Yoel barely threw anything in the Whittaker rematch outside of the shots he dropped rob with and he let Costa walk him down for 2 rounds wailing on him. Izzy fight isn't even something I should mention
Masvidal I don't need to say anything. People should actually watch his fights.

Dustin is the only guy who never stops putting in work even if its just tapping jabs or teeps. But even he runs to the cage when pressured, even against fucking KHABIB.
Oh Woodley was ATT for a lot of his fights too lmfao. Add him to the list of doing everything I said.



it's insufferable.
They need to stop it. Colby did it right, high octane fight all the way
 
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