Shuri-Te Ju-Jutsu

[Rod1]

I did not overstated anything.

BJJ and others MA shares the same techniques.

BJJ has its own rules which are unique and make it as different from others.

2 points tkd,
2 guard pass
2 KOB
4 mount, back control.

Then you really suck at english, im well aware of the rules of BJJ i have done BJJ.

The reason for the sucess of BJJ or GJJ is in the point system: the core of the self defense which cannot be found or imitated by other MA regardless that they share the same techniques!

It cannot be found or imitated by other MA is because they have their own set of rules.

If you cannot understand that!!!

For real?

You really want to turn this into a grammatic argument?

In the first sentence the idea is claiming that success of BJJ is given by the point system. Therefore A can do B because of C.

The second sentence claims that C cannot be found or imitated by D.

So even if D is similar to A, D is not good for B because it lacks C.

Again the really burying point is that it cannot be imitated, so even if D has its own point system E, its still not good for B because it cannot be imitated.

Fail flipflop it fail, go work in politics, its like Bill Clinton's afffair without the millionaire witch trials.

 

[Rod1]

Also it was not me the one claiming that Shurite JJ its crap without even reading, im the only one who actually took time to read the links and give my personal opinion based on the curriculum.

You guys simply said "LOL its shit do BJJ instead", yeah right and im the troll. Sheeps.

 

[bnosam]

Then you really suck at gay sex, im well aware of the rules of safe sex i have done men bareback.

Wow, embarrassing admission! I guess that's where you get the username "Rod1" from. I'm guessing the 1 is the measurement :redface:

 

[lechien]

Then you really suck at english, im well aware of the rules of BJJ i have done BJJ.




For real?

You really want to turn this into a grammatic argument?

In the first sentence the idea is claiming that success of BJJ is given by the point system. Therefore A can do B because of C.

The second sentence claims that C cannot be found or imitated by D.

So even if D is similar to A, D is not good for B because it lacks C.

Again the really burying point is that it cannot be imitated, so even if D has its own point system E, its still not good for B because it cannot be imitated.

Fail flipflop it fail, go work in politics, its like Bill Clinton's afffair without the millionaire witch trials.

I have absolutly have no idea what you saying.

It is not a grammatic argument.

The reason for the sucess of BJJ or GJJ is in the point system: the core of the self defense which cannot be found or imitated by other MA regardless that they share the same techniques!

It cannot be found or imitated by other MA is because they have their own set of rules.

 

[ShindoNinja]

n Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response.

Yeah, insulting its not trolling, right.

Sorry for even assuming that BJJ is not the ultimate form of grappling that Moses learned while in the mountains when talking with God. And god forbid someone calls any technique found in BJJ as anything else than BJJ.

Those japanese, europeans and americans are such copycats, calling the Kimura an Ude garami or double wristlock? eveyrone knows Kimura was invented by a Brazilian guy that was born in japan and traveled time to learn it from Rickson in the future and then came back to teach him to his father Helio in an effort to save the world from Cyberdyne robots which can only be defeated with BJJ.

Sure man.

BJJ may not the the ultimate form of grappling, but it would be fair to say that if you train in it you well be a good ground fighter. Doesn't make it better than Judo as an art... but in general BJJ is good at ground work bc of the rules. JUst as Judoka are good at stand up grappling because of the rules. Kosen Judo is where it gets interesting. Kosen Judo rules allow pulling guard and methodical ground work. If you watch a match it looks much like BJJ.

You also said that the website for this style says that they do Randori against multiple attackers. Aikido calls this randori against multiple attackers, it looks like
little kids play fighting.

I have done Aikido,JJJ,Judo and BJJ. Aikido Randori does not teach you how to fight. Against multiple attackers it teaches you to engage an apponent and put the him in between you and the other attackers. It does not teach you how to kick the asses of 4 guys trying to kill you.

Bottom line is find a gym where you fit in and has the right level of training for you. Anything is better than sitting on the couch, and if you enjoy the training just do it. I've trained with effective fighters from many different arts. It always comes down to how they train, not always what they train in.

 

[lechien]

Also it was not me the one claiming that Shurite JJ its crap without even reading, im the only one who actually took time to read the links and give my personal opinion based on the curriculum.

You guys simply said "LOL its shit do BJJ instead", yeah right and im the troll. Sheeps.

Telling someone to train BJJ instead of some made up BS martial arts is not trolling. it is great advice.

but turning every thread into a judo vs bjj is trolling.

 

[bnosam]

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

 

[fan of fanboys]

Well except the last couple pages on this thread I got some great responses.

Basically this is not an open class. They practice at a local studio after the studio closes. The guy who owns the studio is one of the students. They practice twice a month in Columbia, SC. Troy price drives down from NC to hold the class. Each class is 3-4 hours. They record it and at next class you get a DVD of last class.

The only reason I was invited is because my uncle works with a few of the guys in the class. I am 25. I am the only guy under 40 and I am the only guy without at least one Black belt in another form. A few karate, a few BJJ, a couple aikido, and I dunno what the rest are. There are about 12 guys in the class and they have been doing it for about 2 1/2 years. Each class is $30. No pressure to make both classes and because they are at night, generally 7:30-11:ish, if you have to leave early for whatever its ok. These guys all have told me essentially they do this in supplement to their own training bc of the diff. perspective and technique Troy Price brings.

These guys also get together without Troy Price once a week or so and practice what he showed them in prior class.

Really what has me believing in it is the students in the class. They all have 15-30 years of experience in martial arts each. They all have at least one Black belt. One student owns the studio in which we practice (Samurai Karate. You can Google it. I think he mostly trains kids. Don't quote me.) And they all say Troy is one of the most knowledgeable guys they have ever worked with.

I am not interested at this stage in doing competitions. Like I mentioned I wrestled in college and I still compete in open tournaments. Maybe one day. I am interested in BJJ, because I love the ground work aspect. But right now this seems interesting.

 

[fan of fanboys]

And again I appreciate everyones opinion. Ha did not realize the hostility this would create.

 

[Rod1]

BJJ may not the the ultimate form of grappling, but it would be fair to say that if you train in it you well be a good ground fighter. Doesn't make it better than Judo as an art... but in general BJJ is good at ground work bc of the rules. JUst as Judoka are good at stand up grappling because of the rules. Kosen Judo is where it gets interesting. Kosen Judo rules allow pulling guard and methodical ground work. If you watch a match it looks much like BJJ.

The point was not who was better at groundwork, which its going to be BJJ because they train 90% there.

He specifically said self-defense.

You also said that the website for this style says that they do Randori against multiple attackers. Aikido calls this randori against multiple attackers, it looks like
little kids play fighting.

It mentiones both one attacker and multiple attackers randori, also watch the PDF showing the belt requirements.

Also again, why attack aikido? the multiple men randori have their points, and if you haven't trained aikido or even fought against aikidokas what's the point of bashing them? im the troll yet its freebie here to criticize every martial art that its not BJJ.

And before "Where is aikido in MMA?" the techniques and training philosophy of aikido does not fits well against other fighters, its mainly a self.defense art. Watch Krav Maga and they use pretty much the same movements. Because its not a ring fight where there must be one winner, its an art that depends on attackers actively trying to hurt you and/or seizing you and that requires actively commiting the weight.

For example, lets say i get in the ring with a good boxer with TDD, if it tried to takehim down i would be in trouble, but if i get off the ring i win, because my objective is self-defense.

There are worlds apart, other MAs don't even focus on fighting applications but in philosophical and health like Tai Chi Chuan, does that makes anyone wanting to try them worthless?

I have done Aikido,JJJ,Judo and BJJ. Aikido Randori does not teach you how to fight. Against multiple attackers it teaches you to engage an apponent and put the him in between you and the other attackers. It does not teach you how to kick the asses of 4 guys trying to kill you.

Why do you need to kick the asses of 4 guys trying to kill you? why not disengage and run? also against unsuspecting people aikido its really painful, i once was thrown on a kote gaeshi.

Bottom line is find a gym where you fit in and has the right level of training for you. Anything is better than sitting on the couch, and if you enjoy the training just do it. I've trained with effective fighters from many different arts. It always comes down to how they train, not always what they train in.

Exactly, so what's the point of instantly calling "LOL its BS" at anything that involves grappling and its not BJJ? Judo is fine to train as long as you accept that newaza sucks big time too? (actually told to a colleguage who changed from BJJ to Judo for monetary issues).

 

[Rod1]

Telling someone to train BJJ instead of some made up BS martial arts is not trolling. it is great advice.

but turning every thread into a judo vs bjj is trolling.

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO TURNED IT INTO BJJ VS EVERYTHING.

BJJ trolls, that's the only thing i hate about BJJ, well that and people who think that they just made a new variation of BJJ and give a name to every single thing they do.

 

[bnosam]

Troll Post

Good observation!

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

When it comes to "TMAs" in America, most of what you will find is crap. Commercialism has created so much bullshido (what is taught is crap) or mcdojoism (what is taught may or may not be crap, but there are shoddy business practices).

Instructors and school owners got away with it for so many decades because there was nothing keeping them accountable. The advent of MMA and other combat sports (like BJJ or JUDO, everyone STFU they are BOTH awesome) have given the layman an idea of what real martial arts should look like, instead of the overweight 50 year old black belt with a mullet teaching kids in the local strip mall.

TS, you have wrestling experience, so you know what aliveness and pressure testing does to a system - it forces people to accept the techniques that work under resistance and keeps them from relying too much on theory (which is what alot of TMAs do). If you are interested in self defense, to be honest, at least in the US, self defense and competition unfortunately are not mutually exclusive, due to what I've described already.

Since you're a wrestler, I'm willing to bet even without other martial arts experience, you will be able to tell bullshit when you see it. So if this guy starts boasting incredible fight records, or starts trying to wow you with martial arts mysticism, or pulls the sport vs street card, just keep your common sense wits about you and try not to become another victim of corporate America gone wrong.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

I did?

Let me requote who was i replying.



How is that not snob elitism and basically saying that all MA are for shows and only BJJ is real?

The concepts involved in BJJ its not new, they have been around for over a century, just because they came to America yesterday, it doesn't means its new.



No, certain BJJ players own Judo guys on BJJ rules.

But all judoka can defend themselves or at least be decent in BJJ rules, take a newly made BJJ into a Judo tournament and he loses first fight. Unless he is really elite.

GJJ just made a name of beating crappy American judokas with no groundwork and really fell apart when they started challenging Japanese wrestlers and judoka.

Both arts are incredibily similar in concept, they just vary on the rules.



Belt colours mean almost nothing in Judo.

.

BJJ and Judo newaza are practically the same thing, a wrestler learning to do a triangle is not a BJJ guy.

MMA is being completely ruled by folkstyle wrestlers nowadays, the guys that came straigth of BJJ can also be counted with the hands, there is also the difference that there are one million BJJ guys jumping wagons into MMA, while only some retired judokas are doing so.

Which its not the point in the first place, as Judo depends a lot in the grips, any Judoka jumping wagons need to crosstrain, just like any BJJ needs to crosstrain too.

The hilarity its claiming that Lesnar its a BJJ guy because he did an armtriangle, i could claim the very same thing and say that Lesnar is a judo guy because he did an ude sankaku jime.

In the end

Practitioner >>>>>>>>>>>>> art.



Why should i STFU? so its ok for BJJ practitioners to call everyone a phoney, an snake oil seller, and pretty much idiots and pussies, but when someone says that BJJ did not invented slice bread, then its a troll? lol

I really like BJJ, and i still consider myself a BJJ practitioner.

1. MMA is complety ruled by folky style wrestlers??? WROOOONG... take the ratio of how many top wrestlers there is in MMA vs how many bjj guys based are in mma, and see what comes out... the UFC has its base in the USA, where theres still at least 2 o 3 times more wrestlers than bjj guys, still... Shogun rua, bjj based ground game, AS bjj based ground game, Bj penn (he will get the belt back, bjj based ground game) Jose Aldo, bjj based ground game...

SF... HW, Alistar Overeem, bjj based ground game, Werdum...
LHW.. King Mo (till he faces Roger)
MW, shields (bjj mix with wrestling) though Jacare will be the next champ.
WW, Nate diaz, bjj based ground game...

Holy sht wrestlers are taking the world right????

2. An arm triangle is not a pure bjj technique, in fact, most bjj techniques come from judo, SO FUKING WHAT??? Brock was training with Comprido, BJJ champ, not with Flavio Canto, so his submission grappling IS BJJ based, because he learned it from a bjj guy, so when he pulled a arm triangle, ude garami or what ever, he pulled a techinque that he learned AT BJJ CLASS!!!... not judo class...

About retired judokas, yeah ishi is retired, if im not wrong, he left judo to go to MMA because he wanted to go to MMA, not because he couldnt succed in judo anymore, how did he do????

Look, I have an huge ammount of respect for judo... but it is what it is, and if you are going to pull the judo vs bjj crap at every single thread, then you will get the facts expose to your face... and those dont really look all that great for judo man...

 

[Rod1]

Good observation!

Why don't you go and give a review of a douche? seems that your irritation may be caused by an infection down there.

 

[bnosam]

Why don't you go and give a review of a douche? seems that your irritation may be caused by an infection down there.

Good one, does your boyfriend enjoy your sense of humour?

 

[lechien]

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO TURNED IT INTO BJJ VS EVERYTHING.

BJJ trolls, that's the only thing i hate about BJJ, well that and people who think that they just made a new variation of BJJ and give a name to every single thing they do.

Not really, we told ts to go train BJJ as a sincere advice. Did you actually read his update on how????
"I am the only guy under 40 and I am the only guy without at least one Black belt in another form. A few karate, a few BJJ, a couple aikido, and I dunno what the rest are"


You choose to argue that BJJ is not the best by giving us another lecture on the beauty of Judo...

 

[fan of fanboys]

Since you're a wrestler, I'm willing to bet even without other martial arts experience, you will be able to tell bullshit when you see it. So if this guy starts boasting incredible fight records, or starts trying to wow you with martial arts mysticism, or pulls the sport vs street card, just keep your common sense wits about you and try not to become another victim of corporate America gone wrong.

That is another thing I like. Nothing like this has been brought up. He actually has never mentioned him being in a fight, the word "mma" has never once been uttered even by the students. When he mentioned fighting he says something like "if you have to", "when you tell him you do not want trouble and he continues to be the aggressor" etc.

He is really into Jin and core and such, but he is heavily influenced by Dr. Yang (I posted info on him first page) and Dr. Yang is really into that. Qigong, Chen Na, etc.

But there has been no bragging or talking about kicking ass. He essentially said "try not to fight. if you have to, try to defend yourself, then get away. if you must go beyond that, here is how to maim/kill quickly"

When he does the moves, and I have volunteered to be the practice guy (I think he called it uke or something?) it fucking hurts. A lot. And quickly. And with very little effort on his part. One think where I was on my back and he had my arm twisted, out of instinct I bridged up and I could instantly tell was the wrong reaction ha. But the split second I go for tap he lets go and I can tell he is putting minimal pressure. Just enough so I know it works without it actually causing damage. He preaches safety when training a lot.

 

[fan of fanboys]

They also all wear a Gi. I do not own one. He said "I have one I sell and like, runs about $75. But here are a list of websites that sell them as well, some as low as $45. I do not care where you get it form or what color. Just dont want your t-shirts to get torn" (I paraphrased of course. But pretty accurate)

So they don't try and sell me anything either. And since not open to the public, and the conversatiosn I have had with the diff guys before/after the two sessions, they are all really into it and just stoked a young guy is out there doing it with them.

 

[fan of fanboys]

Again, I appreciate everyone responding. A lot of good stuff. Keep it coming. Love hearing the diff perspectives.

If anyone here in or around Columbia, SC I would be happy to show you the DVD of what we cover. Average quality bc they record themselves with a home dvd recorder but works.