shuai jiao anybody know anything bout

[woot woot NJ]

does anyone know anything about shuai jiao? What kinds of techniques does it emphazise, what are rules of competition, is there groundwork?

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Im pretty sure its Chinese wrestling, Im not sure about competition rules but Im certain there is no groundwork and the techniques Ive seen resemble weak Judo and Greco-Roman.

 

[judogido]

I have 2 videos for you to look at:

1) Shuai Jiao Demo by Cheng Dong Sheng (pretty ordinary)
http://www.huizucn.com/show/content.asp?ArticleID=499

2) Shuai Jiao in action (better - more realistic)
http://emptyflower.stanford.edu/video/another_bagua_fight.WMV

It was a Kuo Shu match in Taiwan when they first changed some rules.
The person in yellow was a TKD/Shuai Jiao national team player. The guy in black was a TKD/Some Ba Gua Shou (?) player.

It reminds me a bit of SanShou/Sanda.

Shuai-Jiao (also known as Shuai-Chiao, pronounced "Swa-gio") is traditional Chinese and Mongolian Wrestling. It is a devastatingly effective fighting art, incorporating limb control (joint locks, bars and twists), chokes, throws, and grappling. Integral with Shuai-Jiao is Ch'in-na; the Art of Seizing. Students learn the vital points of human anatomy, but with a view to grasping, pressing and locking them rather than strking them. To watch, a Ch'in-na strike is surprisingly swift and relaxed.
The History of Shuai-Jiao

Shuai-Jiao is one of the oldest martial arts, predating even Kung Fu. Shuai-Jiao first emerged 700 B.C.. Initially it was quite crude; Contestants wore horned headgear which they attempted to butt their opponents with! A thousand years saw great changes. By 700 A.D. the crude butts had been replaced with sophisticated holds and throws. Wrestling reached such a cultural level that contests were held before the emperor.

ref: http://www.brisbanekungfu.com/shuai-jiao/

 

[QingTian]

the commentary says one of the fighters at least is judo+tkd.

 

[judogido]

The first vid is clearly just a demo (not the best technique IMHO, although it is an old fella doing the demo & he does still move well for his apparent age). Interesting though how it appears to combine Aikido & Judo.

The second vid shows how good anticipation can really let you smash an opponent - Considering the dude got repeatedly pwned he must've felt pretty demoralised.

 

[judogido]

the commentary says one of the fighters at least is judo+tkd.

Yes - a few people have mentioned that the commentary says something about "good judo" or similar.

 

[Masakatsu Funaki #1]

Its a vert great and underrated art. I have a bunch of vids of matches I got a long time ago on a DVD-R disc somewhere. Maybe i'll dig it up. There are actully different styles of SJ. I have seen one style that looks nothing like Judo or Greco-Roman wrestling. It was alot more Freestyle looking than anything. I remember there being some sweet fireman carries being done. I might be describing the video above...I should probably check this out

 

[Masakatsu Funaki #1]

Okay, it isnt that vid. The one I have has the fighter fighting in a pit, filled with sand. Its actully more of a arena than pit. The grapplers look like that would do really well in freestyle wrestling, and chances are they probably do compete in freestyle. Thanks for the vid BTW.

 

[Masakatsu Funaki #1]

Wow, i am really feeling that vid. If they allowed strikes to the face and threw in some boxing gloves, it would make a nice Shootboxing match (they would also have to add standing submissions, or it would just be a nice San Da match instead.)

 

[Masakatsu Funaki #1]

FOUND IT!
http://johnswang.com/Yee_SC.wmv
Impressive, ah? I think so...but to each his own.

 

[woot woot NJ]

does Shuai jiao have ground work I did not see that in the vid

 

[Masakatsu Funaki #1]

No ground work, its all throws and takedowns.

 

[VampireMonk]

shuai Jao does have ground work, although they would rather kick you in the head like
Wandy before they engage in the ground.

 

[Masakatsu Funaki #1]

shuai Jao does have ground work, although they would rather kick you in the head like
Wandy before they engage in the ground.

LOL, Well my last post means nothing now. Goes to show how much I know :/
Care to give us some information on the ground work of Shuai? Everything I have is all based on throws and takedowns, would love to see how the ground game works.

 

[judogido]

FOUND IT!
http://johnswang.com/Yee_SC.wmv
Impressive, ah? I think so...but to each his own.

Awesome, it's been ages since I've seen that clip. Thanks for posting it.

I love the bullfighter referee - I keep expecting some mad bull to run into the arena!!

Is this SJ though? It looks completely different to the video I posted above so now I'm somewhat confused (although the explaination of a "few different styles of SJ" is probably the answer).

From what I've seen Shuai Jiao is sort of like Judo+TKD, where San Shou is like Judo+Muay Thai... & San Da is another sort of San Shou?

 

[judogido]

.. never mind I figured it out.

Only the San Da part - what is this exactly?

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

shuai Jao does have ground work, although they would rather kick you in the head like
Wandy before they engage in the ground.

Honestly Ive never seen any groundwork in shuai Jao or Chin-na for that matter, including some old kung-fu movies where they use shuai Jao techniques. All the sources Ive seen were hard, quick, throws that resemble Judo, Greco, or Pankration throws.

 

[Big Red]

Wow, never heard of this till now. Even though the loser got tossed lods he had a bad ass stance.

 

[laurent1234]

Shuaijiao means wrestling in Chinese. I assume the thread starter meant Chinese wrestling.
As it is practiced now Shuaijiao competition allow throws. Good dry throws can bring 2 points, but if your opponent put anything than his 2 feets on the ground one point will be granted to you.
There is no ground work as you understand. There is no punches, no sub, no pressure points.

Competitions are open to all wrestlers whatever their style of origine (judo, FW, GRwrestling, mongolian wrestling) with the restriction that all participants have to to fight with long pants, wrestling shoes, and a top that is like a short-sleeved tight to the body judogi.

Chinese wrestling/shuaijiao is really interesting,mainly due to the quality of the drills it has developed to increase the balance and coordination of a practitioner's throws. Try it if you have the chance.

 

[woot woot NJ]

ok some people say it does not have groundwork, some say it does have groundwork. I want someone to clear it up for good. Also what do you mean groundwork as i understand.