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Shouldn't the Means fight be a DQ?

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  1. MCS Duck down pause right

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    Because the old rules still apply

    A fighter is grounded when anything other than the soles of their feet touched the canvas; a knee, a hand, a finger. A fighter can't be legally kicked in the head when grounded.

    Yet "accidental knee on a grounded opponent" was called, when those were deliberate.
     
  2. Th3Sav4ge "ON CHRISTMAS?!?!"

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    yes. the new rules arnt in affect until 2017 and it confused fuckin everybody. was illegal shot for sure even tho im not a brown cowboy fan



    under the new rules that shot is legal becuase only 1 knee was down........at least i think.
     
  3. MCS Duck down pause right

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    They'll still be illegal. The new rule applies to the hand-to-ground putting and pulling game

    Essentially the old definition still applies with an exception that for a hand to make a fighter grounded, both palms, both fists, or a palm and a fist must be touching the canvas.

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/8/3...boxing-commissions-amends-mma-s-unified-rules


    So both Means and Mirg messed up.
     
  4. Fahcough Silver Belt

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    When was it legal to knee someone in face with a grounded point of contact. That's been against recent rules

    If they were fighting tonight and it was western time after midnight, would it still be illegal on east coast?
     
  5. Th3Sav4ge "ON CHRISTMAS?!?!"

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    thanks. i thought you needed all 4 points now. i need to rewatch the big jon vid and drink less
     
  6. MCS Duck down pause right

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    The only thing that changes is that both hands need to be on the ground if a knee isn't.
     
  7. xn7 Red Belt

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    illegal shot. DQ means. how can a pro fighter not know the rules.

    oh yeah, mark ratner is a retard. can't even get the rules right either. amazing.
     
  8. MCS Duck down pause right

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    I think Means not knowing was a factor for the NC tbh.
     
  9. brockkab Brown Belt

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    Everyone knows the rules. It's a clear dq. They are protecting the cheater.
     
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    Clear DQ.
     
  11. MCS Duck down pause right

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    That's worrisome. Neither Ratner, Rogan or Means knew the rules yet they're allowed to commentate, inform the commission and fight
     
  12. Th3Sav4ge "ON CHRISTMAS?!?!"

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    good ole honor system. luckily paul harris is gone
     
  13. MCS Duck down pause right

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    yea harris rules means the limb has to be removed before letting go. the ref is there to protect him that he can accomplish this goal. or the nate fight. or the miller fight. man harris had his wild west rules down to a T lol
     
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  14. Fahcough Silver Belt

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    So a knee down was illegal and will still be illegal
     
  15. Th3Sav4ge "ON CHRISTMAS?!?!"

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  16. MCS Duck down pause right

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    Yeah there was some confusion during that fight but the plan was to remove the hand-to-ground gaming. They're not turning it into Pride.
     
  17. Gilday Silver Belt

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    Fairly sure even after the rule change that shot is illegal
     
  18. Sinedd Orange Belt

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    Clear DQ. The knees were intentional and Means even admitted it. Was pissed listening to those buffoons not understanding the rules. The 3 points of contact Joe talked about is not the rule it's just a shitty way to explain the rule, Oliveira could have balanced himself on just his knee (one point of contact) and been grounded under old and new rules, same would go for elbow/ass/back/head/nipple.
     
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    If the shot was illegal then man, did rogan make an ass of himself with that post fight show...
     

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