Should Suplexes Fall Under The "No Spiking" Rule?

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Obviously not every suplex ends with the recipient landing on the top of his head or hitting the mat with the back of his head, but I'm talking about the ones that do, like "The Randleplex" for example. When an MMA fighter properly executes a belly-to-back duplex also known as a German suplex, there is a good possibility that his opponent will hit his head on the mat when landing. My question is regarding any specific type of suplex that is designed to cause one;s opponent to land at least partially on his head. Should those suplexes be banned under the rule against spiking one's opponent on his head? Should all suplexes be banned because there is some potential, no matter how tiny, for the recipient to hit his head upon landing? A lot of people believe that at least some type of suplexes violate the rule against spiking the head of an opponent onto the mat. I say no form of suplex should be banned. They don' fit the definition of a spike.

The reason I believe it shouldn't be banned is because it is not a spike; it is a throw! In a throw, the recipient of the maneuver has some control over how and where he lands. In a spike, the recipient has no control over where he lands. That should be pretty simple to the rule makers and referees, but I don't know whether UFC fighters have been disqualified for using one of the types of suplexes which causes an opponent to at least risk landing on his head. I do know it's very controversial, much like the oblique kick is. I say "at least risk landing on his head" because the man has some control over how he lands such as by tucking his chin against his chest. The man is being thrown and he might or might not land on his head. If he does, he might land directly on his head or only partially on his head. Throwing one's opponent over your head doesn't constitute a "spike" as I understand the definition of a spike. A maneuver which would constitute a spike would be something such as a piledriver where one holds his opponent in place the whole time, directing the impact directly and purposefully right on his head. A modified Rampage-slam in which one purposely directs the position of his opponent while slamming him so as to make sure he lands on his head would be another example of an illegal spike. I don't believe any form of suplex fits the definition of a spike.
 
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No.
 
Your explanation for why it shouldn't be banned is sufficient.
 
I dunno. I'm for fighter safety and I do think getting dumped on your head could break someones neck.
 
... only if the suplex lands the fighter on their head in a downward angle between 90-45 degrees...
 
Nope. Not unless the person doing the suplex is trying to spike his opponent on the top of his head.

When they say spiking they mean trying to plant a dude headfirst like a tree.
 
A lot of people believe that at least some type of suplexes violate the rule against spiking the head of an opponent onto the mat.

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Your explanation for why it shouldn't be banned is sufficient.
I agree but it's one of those controversial things such as the kicks to the knee that Jon Jones is especially infamous for using. Those kicks aren't illegal and I don't think they should be illegal but many fighters and fans disagree. It interests me to see both sides of the argument because the rules can and do change from time to time. Debating with those who hold the opposing viewpoint helps me strengthen my own argument.
 
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You only really see spiking called for things similar to a full piledriver motion. As long as there's an arc and they're not brining the opponent down on the top of their head to the canvas it'll pass.

Even though Nate's was real close.
 


this was a legal move and KO

That is cringeworthy. I'm kind of split on the subject. The description to not ban it earlier was pretty good, but then you get stuff like that video. Experienced grapplers can safely land opponents, but desperate jackasses like the guy in that video risk seriously injuring their opponent.
 
That is cringeworthy. I'm kind of split on the subject. The description to not ban it earlier was pretty good, but then you get stuff like that video. Experienced grapplers can safely land opponents, but desperate jackasses like the guy in that video risk seriously injuring their opponent.
here is one by an experienced grappler NCAA Champ Darrion Caldwell



the trick is to tuck your chin if your going for a ride. as @Dart Feld said, its about the arc vs a spike
 
I dunno. I'm for fighter safety and I do think getting dumped on your head could break someones neck.

It absolutely could but high kicks and even punches have that potential as well and they are used much more often. When Gonzaga KO'd Cro Cop with a high kick I thought Cro Cop's neck might have been broken because of the strange angle his neck was in as he lay there unconscious. When Tank Abbott KO'd Nelmark with a punch to the head, Nelmark collapsed with his neck bent at such a severe angle I thought he might be dead. So if they're going to start doing away with techniques that might break someone's neck, there are other techniques that should be outlawed before suplexes, because kicks and punches to the head happen so much more often than suplexes do that it makes them much more likely to be the cause of the next fighter to get a broken neck.
 
TS you must be a homo.

This is a fight. If you're not guarding a against a suplex, be ready to get suplexed and if it results in paralysis, it your fault. You don't let someone throw you like that.

This isn't tennis. This is UFC and a fight.

A suplex is a legit move and currently not illegal.

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U didn't read the TS OP. Although I am confused as to why he would make this thread when he doesn't think they should be banned, and no one has been making any noise whatsoever about banning them
 


this was a legal move

There's like 6 other spikes as well in that fight... The Attempted kick to the back of the head at the end was raw.
 
should elbows be disallowed for beeing a easier technique then punches , favouring the wrestlers and somewhat disabling JJ ?
 
U didn't read the TS OP. Although I am confused as to why he would make this thread when he doesn't think they should be banned, and no one has been making any noise whatsoever about banning them

oh nvm then.
 
I agree but it's one of those controversial things such as the kicks to the knee that Jon Jones is especially infamous for using. Those kicks aren't illegal and I don't think they should be illegal but many fighters and fans disagree. It interests me to see both sides of the argument because the rules can and do change from time to time. Debating with those who hold the opposing viewpoint helps me strengthen my own argument.

I don't recall ever reading a thread calling for suplexes to be banned.
 
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