Should knees be allowed to the head/face on a grounded opponent?

[Gmork]

Yet you can watch degenerate pornography on demand. It's not like we're talking about death matches. Kneeling the way Sterling was should not be considered downed.

He was down on the ground. You can think what you like. I'm glad the unified rules agree with me.

 

[Fahcough]

Playing stupid games shouldn't win prizes

 

[welcometohavoc]

You were talking about street fights as if that has any relevance here. In a street fight I can bite your eyelid off. It's not relevant to the conversation at all. MMA is a sport, and there are rules. It's not anything goes.

That wasn't me dude, that was someone else. You don't even have the awareness to check who you're addressing,

 

[Volador]

I think it would be nice if the definition of downed required no soles of the feet to be in contact with the ground, or required two knees. So you would only be “grounded” if you were on all fours, on both knees, sitting down on your butt, or laying on the floor. It’s not gonna happen though, so it’s whatever. Thank God we still have the Street Coliseum to make things right.

 

[ExxA]

Right.

It’s pretty clear this is what the folks who made the rules wanted to ban when they said “downed opponent”



Not this:
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This.. its such a stupid and outdated rule. Look im touching the ground with my finger tips im "grounded"!

Playing stupid games shouldn't win prizes

As a Vitor fan.. always wished that the kick landed and flatlined jones even if it would mean Vitor got DQ.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

This.. its such a stupid and outdated rule. Look im touching the ground with my finger tips im "grounded"!

Well to be clear, they did clean that rule up a little bit the last few years - now it’s a knee not fingertips.

But I couldn’t find a pic with a knee down that made my point as well as this one

(and then yet again, that “cleaning up” of the rule led to mass confusion with Mousasi v Weidman....)

 

[Horsen A. Round]

He was down on the ground. You can think what you like. I'm glad the unified rules agree with me.

Why are you glad that the rules favor pansy ass shit like that? His entire torso was vertical and he had one foot planted on the ground. Fighters shouldn't be able to use shit like that as a defensive technique.

 

[oscerthegrouch]

the knee should be legal, i voted for Stomps/soccer kicks but i see they are a tad much but ..

 

[BenRichards]

All he had to do was either punch or step away. He wasn't trying to stall, he was trying to wrestle.

By either assumption he was in fact engaged and not "downed" what happened last night was yan's fault but aljo wasn't exactly helpless either. That strike wasn't a mercy killing, it was a shot sent to an opponent who was trying better his position

 

[Gmork]

By either assumption he was in fact engaged and not "downed" what happened last night was yan's fault but aljo wasn't exactly helpless either. That strike wasn't a mercy killing, it was a shot sent to an opponent who was trying better his position

It's not a fighter knocked down, it's a fighter down on the ground, which he was. This is an absurd argument. Petr shouldn't have cheated. He made an idiotic move and got what was coming to him for it.

 

[MCS]

Yes, because the current rule doesn't work. Compromises like "only illegal if back touches the canvas" can't be done because a fighter would drop or roll to his back to avoid them, like from the position Sterling's in or when on the ground.

So, have to make them legal because fighters are playing with the rule and it leads to what happened. This is worse than taking knees to head in a bad position, as it messes with competition. Not the first time either it's happened, it's frequent.

 

[Hurricane Brad]

Should this be legal?

Yes, it worked fine in Pride.

 

[Gmork]

Why are you glad that the rules favor pansy ass shit like that? His entire torso was vertical and he had one foot planted on the ground. Fighters shouldn't be able to use shit like that as a defensive technique.

LOL@ pansy shit. So many keyboard tough guys around here.

Aljo was trying to wrestle, not stall. Petr stuffed the shot. All he had to do was punch, or walk away. Instead he threw an illegal knee, like an idiot, and he lost.

 

[Grayto]

In a real fight I can bring a gun, wtf does this have to do with anything? Let's bring back headbutts and ballshots and make sure we never get to see our sport on tv again, while we're at it.

I mean we are talking about the context of hand-to-hand martial arts combat. Obviously guns would kill fighters quickly; are you suggesting these kinds of knees would cause deaths/or injuries at a more significant rate similar to that of guns???

The problem with ballshots is they're too effective, and so the entire game would be who can get the first ball shot, which no one wants to see. However, do you really think the Aljo situation would be so common that it would ruin the tactics of MMA? And it would its inclusion be so alien to the current tactics we already see?

I don't think so; I think downed knees fit in comfortably within the realm of "martial arts"; and for that matter, although its unnapealing to a western audience, headbutts would be fine and are already part of Lethwei rules.


In my opinion:

Either YES, it should be legal, OR it should be illegal but a fighter should be deducted for a point trying to play in a safe position:

Situation A
Fake down fighter
REF: move position!
Fake down flops to his back or stands up

Situation B
Fake down fighter:
REF: move position!
Fake down stays in position
REF: 1 point deduction!

 

[bigsmooth187]

Absolutely a valid technique you think in a real fight an opponent cares how many points of contact you have with the ground

But it's not a real fight. It's a sport.

 

[randomg1t]

I don't think so. I think it could be very dangerous to pin someone's head to the ground and drive your knee onto his face. At least with knees from a standing position the re is room for someone's head rto go backwards. I do think they need to revisit what a grounded opponent is. Fighters like sterling will stay on there knees to prevent knees to the head.

yes, many people died in PRIDE when they got kneed in the face. dozens, scores, even!

anyone who says it's more dangerous on the ground has never actually thrown a knee or been hit with one. it's hilarious how few people who are fans of MMA have ever set foot in a gym.

 

[mraa1]

yes and headbutts should also be allowed but I know it will never happen so it's kind of pointless. I'm sure tons of people were turned off by that knee even though it was illegal. I hear older people at work talk about how disgusting MMA is whenever it's brought up. If they saw what happened to Sterling they'd ban MMA from their households. If it were legal they'd probably start a petition against it being shown on tv at all

 

[nhbfan8080]

It should be Pride rules or at least allow knees. Fighters should be not allowed to take a knee to break the momentum of their opponents offense. If they want to avoid getting kicked/kneed in the head, they should stand up and run.

 

[Masturbin]

You should be able to throw knees to the head but only if you are standing.

So no more pride style knee fucking


If the opponent is trully ground then you litteraly can't knee them in the head standing

 

[TheMessiah]

The main reason why its illegal has nothing to do with damage, more because making it legal would discourage grappling