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Should judges have to score a close fight twice?

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Break Brick, Sep 24, 2013.

  1. Break Brick Black Belt

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    Again a perfectly fair argument. I guess in this sense it makes more "business sense" for the decision to go one way or the other as it leaves more viable options for future fights. I suppose I'm looking at it in terms of what should read on the record as opposed to how it effects the potential future match-making. (Though it inevitably would)

    I definitely agree that judging is subjective and perhaps inquiry into poor scoring (individually) would be a good way of holding judges (or whoever appointed them) accountable
     
  2. fluffball Brown Belt

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    I prefer Liddell's suggestion of making judges sit down and explain why they score rounds the way they do. I'd love to see the judges at the post-fight press conferences to hold them accountable.

    Edit: Someone post that GIF of judge Cecil Peoples getting hit with a falling fighter because he was not even close to watching the fight.
     
  3. Break Brick Black Belt

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    Lol, that would be hilarious as well as eye opening. Can you imagine the levels of instigating Ariel would achieve in this type of scenario? Untold
     
  4. hto63 Brown Belt

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    Judges are a nonfactor. The rules are decided way up the food chain and one man will not change it.

    Do you really believe the UFC is not lobbying hard to improve the rules?

    And it's not just the point scoring either, there has to be consistency with the judges and the refs, it's stupid there is even variation in how highly a takedown is scored for example.
    Big John had an awesome segment on the MMA hour and talked about that quite a bit, I mean even the refs hate how inconsistent the judges are!

    there's a lot of other stuff that needs improving as well, werid rules about illegal elbows, easily abused grounded opponent rules, etc.



    Again, I am not talking about Gus vs Jones. The fight was scored properly in my opinion but the supposed controversy some people try to create is based on the flawed scoring process when it was really just a close fight overall...
     
  5. Free_MMAson Banned Banned

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    Judges secretly like the negative attention since they know when they score a fight correctly no one cares who they are
     
  6. Break Brick Black Belt

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    haha! Holds weight, otherwise Cecil Peoples wouldn't be the unsinkable legend he is today. The superstar of the judging world
     
  7. Hans Gercmiov Titanium Belt

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    I'd be pissed if I had to wait half an hour just to find out Leonard Garcia won a split decision.
     
  8. Break Brick Black Belt

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    Lol. Wel played sir
     
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    The pro's do outweigh the con's from a spectator's standpoint, but in reality not being able to celebrate a belt holder after being in "fight watch mode" fucks up the event. Promotions wouldn't agree with it. It would create some nice (or not so nice) anticipation for fans who are not attending.
     
  10. Jonny Ninja Red Belt

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    I agree with pretty much everything you've said that but I dont think judging the fight as a whole will work or be accurate. Its not the answer and I feel would only work if there were no rounds.

    Fighters (wrestlers) getting a late takedown and holding position until the end of the round should not be scored in the fighters favour, it is encouraging inactivity in a fight and in reality should count for fck all! Its ruining the sport imo.

    I personally think that there should be more 10-8s and more drawn rounds. If 2 guys have cancelled each other out or more specifically done nothing on the feet then grabs a late td, score it a draw; no fighter has deserved to win the round. If the fight is drawn at the end of 3, give em an extra round. If neither fighter tries to win the final round score the fight a draw, there shouldn't be a winner if no one really deserved to win the fight nd it won't look particully good for either fighter. I beleive this would lead to more fighters looking to fight and finish. The scoring system, as it is, is completely inadequate and is encouraging fighters to control to win fights rather than fight. its good for boxing, but for 3 round fights and lots of different fighting styles being used it's shite!
     
  11. Lethal_Striker Gold Belt

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    There would be way too much wiggle room on what qualifies as a close fight. Are we going to have to double review every single 29-28 fight even if a guy clearly won 2 rounds and the other guy clearly won the other round?

    What if a title fight had to be double reviewed when there was only 15 minutes left on the PPV broadcast? Thanks for paying your money for the PPV now wait till the PPV ends and check on UFC.com to see who really won the fight?
     
  12. Break Brick Black Belt

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    I did consider these. In regards to too many fights getting double reviewed I guess there would need to be strict criteria for the call to be made, or a unanimous vote from the 2nd panel to review? Perhaps only have it implemented fot title fights? I'm just spitballing here.

    In regards to the issue of PPV time running out I definitely see that as an issue, as would fans live waiting 25 minutes for review to find out whose a winner. It's got cons for sure, ultimately it's whether you want to sacrifice polished format for more accurate decisions.
     
  13. DarthChen731 Gold Belt

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    Indeed lol, they should've put a couch in the ring so Jones and Gus could kick back, munch some donuts, and wait to hear to won.
     
  14. BuffaloEmperor Brown Belt

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    i understand TS, point but there has to be another way to get better decisions. drunken fans sitting around for 25 minutes might cuz fights in the crowd or some crazy shit maybe if judges could watch the fight not ringside and watch it in a booth away from crowd noise and drunken fools it would be better. idk.
    i agree in a sense though that watching a fight one time can be hard to make a good decision.
     
  15. JD Harmeyer Green Belt

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    The rules are clearly laid out for the judges. It's up to the judges to determine how they score the fight. Some judges favor take downs and control, other judges favor a fighter throwing air punches and running from the fight. I never have a problem with a judges score card and how they judge the fight, it's up to the fighter to win the fight. No matter what judging system is used, they're always be close fights that go the distance were people won't agree with the decision. Maybe I'm in the minority but judging the fight round by round on a 10 point system is fine. Changing the judging criteria will only confuse the judges more and cause even more problems IMO. I compare it to being a NBA fan and being sick of seeing easy scored point via Dunks, so hey lets raise the rim to 14 feet...
     

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