1. The official Sherdog Store is back! Check it out! » Discuss it here! »

Should defended takedowns count on scorecards as much as takedowns?

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by HAWTRIDDUM, Dec 27, 2016.

?

Should defended takedowns count on scorecards as much as takedowns?

  1. Yes

    36.7%
  2. No

    63.3%
  1. HAWTRIDDUM Gold Belt Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2009
    Messages:
    19,537
    Likes Received:
    1,092
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    Its frustrating to watch some fights where a fighter defends 3-4 takedowns, then the round gets stolen when the other fighter gets a takedown towards the end of a round.

    The judges have been trained over the years to reward offensive grappling more then defensive grappling. Perhaps they consider offensive grappling as octagon control?

    I feel that when a fighter initiates a takedown and the other fighter fends off that takedown successfully, then the defending fighter won the grappling exchange.

    It would be nice to see all the talk about evolving the ufc rules we have been for years actually happen.

    I'd like to see everyone elses thoughts, and give the poll a vote as well.
     
  2. trblesome1 Silver Belt

    Joined:
    May 28, 2009
    Messages:
    10,758
    Likes Received:
    5
    Only if the takedown is one where the guy pops right back up, if you actually get him down and control him it is worth more than defending a shot
     
  3. shonuf Titanium Belt Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2010
    Messages:
    48,974
    Likes Received:
    1
    Maybe not as much but they should be considered in it's own right. They'd always just say not being taken down is it's own reward and that's why it isn't scored.

    But at the same time it should be less because guys will do half assed takedowns sometimes to set up their punches.
     
  4. LongTermLurker "Et tu, Brute?" Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    17,574
    Likes Received:
    27
    Location:
    NY
    See your concern but blocking a punch is not the same as landing a punch. Does suck when a guy stuffs lots of takedowns but they need to take control of the action and get off defense.
     
  5. Kaiokenrye24 Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2016
    Messages:
    4,657
    Likes Received:
    457
    Judges always put too much stock into a takedown and only really matter if the fight passes guard or lands ground and pound
     
  6. Ham Socks Professional Fighter

    Joined:
    May 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,976
    Likes Received:
    355
    No. Watch mike swick vs josh burkman.

    Burkman spent the fight trying to take swick down, and swick won a UD.
     
  7. ArkhamAsylum Red Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2009
    Messages:
    7,621
    Likes Received:
    265
    Location:
    Valhalla
    Yes. Initially you would think the takedown attempt should be recognized as aggression and rewarded as such. But they're not always offensive. Many takedowns are initiated as part of a defense to get away from striking.

    So yes, takedown defense should count as much as a takedown.
     
  8. Mr. Jamie Cee Green Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2016
    Messages:
    1,334
    Likes Received:
    1,112
    Only if Conor defends them, in which case he should be awarded a 10-8 round.
     
  9. andnowweknow I heard Trump lost

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2013
    Messages:
    20,870
    Likes Received:
    5,607
    No, offensive tactics always trump defensive.
     
  10. Toner Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2015
    Messages:
    4,682
    Likes Received:
    0
    Aldo defended 12 of 12 of Frankie Edgar's TDs. It was impressive and won him points for sure.
     
  11. Ottawaguy Steel Belt Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    25,010
    Likes Received:
    15,682
    Location:
    On my bike, or gone fishing
    Maybe something like two succesfully defended takedowns equal one takedown. Then it becomes an issue of defining an an attempt.
     
  12. Statonxyb Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    May 19, 2014
    Messages:
    224
    Likes Received:
    0
    Definitely.
     
  13. YoullDoNuttin AllTheBelts

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2009
    Messages:
    1,814
    Likes Received:
    0
    Every failed takedown should be 1 point deducted.
     
  14. PlayboyMixx Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    1,368
    Likes Received:
    98
    Weren't the rules mostly created by Jeff Blatnick? I'm assuming that because he was a wrestler the rules tend to favor wrestling a bit. Probably need a bit of an upgrade.
     
  15. UL no more yellows Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2011
    Messages:
    49,413
    Likes Received:
    1
    Depends on the fighters nationality

    NEXT!
     
  16. Mr Moist Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2009
    Messages:
    2,224
    Likes Received:
    521
    Location:
    The Land
    To be honest, I get confused sometimes what the scoring criteria really is due to the inconsistent judging. But for me, I don't know if I would give points for a takedown defense, otherwise you would kind of have to give points for things like dodging punches and checking kicks. I agree, you shouldn't give the fighter attempting the takedown more credit, but I would put more value on the guy being more aggressive if the grappling is being nullified. Granted, certain exchanges where the defending fighter ends up in an advantages position is a different story. But as far as a simply stopping a takedown, even repeatedly, I don't think isn't going to do much to win a fight.
     
  17. Thepaintbucket Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2007
    Messages:
    16,174
    Likes Received:
    2,035
    No. But also you shouldn't reward a person who takes another down and does almost nothing with the position.
     
  18. MMA4Life Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2016
    Messages:
    15,953
    Likes Received:
    5,284
    No not as much but it should count. As I know now it counts for nothing. Also takedowns that are only there for a few seconds should be viewed differently than a takedown resulting in a dominant position.
     
  19. PopeUrbanII Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2013
    Messages:
    1,087
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Stockholm
    Should defended punches & kicks count on the scorecards as much as punches & kicks?.....
     
  20. Egészségére! Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2016
    Messages:
    4,545
    Likes Received:
    1,011

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.