Should DC petition for a "No contest" at this point?

[SocraticMethod]

Superb point. Could be argued that the NSAC and UFC unilaterally decided that DC would have to take the risk of sustaining brain damage from a potential PED user. DC doesn't get a say in this, or even informed of the evidence. Denied the ability to make a decision based on his own well being.

If the fight had resulted in serious injury to DC, he would now be owed tens to hundreds of millions of dollars by the state of Nevada and Zuffa as a result of a lawsuit.

This is the best perspective I have yet heard on this. DC 'didn't need to know'. About the coke, fair enough. But not three abnormal hormone results? OF COURSE he had a right to know when engaging in unarmed combat with a man who had given THREE major red flags for PED usage.

The NAC and the UFC are so flippin' lucky neither of these guys got seriously hurt in this fight.

 

[demetrio]

Maybe he should, but I don't think he would. I think he feels he owns himself a win inside the cage against Jones. He seems to have already embraced this defeat, like he wants it to remain a defeat. He's too proud to try to change the outcome of the fight, even if it's justified.

Besides, if there's enough proof to change Jones' W to a NC, it shouldn't depend on Cormier's initiative.

 

[wisdom blows]

How did I ever change what I said?

You can admit you lost, and still make excuses for why you lost.

Saying he "didn't fight to his potential" is an excuse. If all he had said was that Jones was the better man and he will come back stronger, that would be accepting his loss and not making any excuses.

Are you mental?

That's not really an excuse, though. At least not in the sense that people usually refer to an "excuse" as. There is a difference between a reason and an excuse.

If it's true he didn't fight to his potential, is that an excuse?

 

[mental mickey]

Jesus, will these Anyone But Jones bitches just give up on their blind hate.. Somewhere along the line he beat your favourite fighter, he's the best ever so just get over it instead of clinging to this crap.. It's embarrassing and quite frankly pathetic

 

[FallonFoxGOAT]

If it's true he didn't fight to his potential, is that an excuse?

Would it be fair for every fighter who loses to say they didn't fight to their potential, then?

 

[Mob69]

The NAC and the UFC are so flippin' lucky neither of these guys got seriously hurt in this fight.

Agreed. Jones suffering a heart attack from coke or injuring DC from PED gorilla power would have seen the NSAC and Zuffa essentially out of business.

Considering how straight Lorenzo famously is, I'm surprised he didn't pull the plug. In Nevada, anything suspicious can = losing your gaming license to own/run a casino.

It's unethical that DC was denied information about multiple red flags and thus denied the opportunity to make a decision about whether to fight a guy who may well be using PEDs. The promoters and regulator had no right to do that. I am disgusted.

 

[dc007]

Yeah, no.

 

[Kote Gaeshi]

yes, but he won't

 

[mental mickey]

Superb point. Could be argued that the NSAC and UFC unilaterally decided that DC would have to take the risk of sustaining brain damage from a potential PED user. DC doesn't get a say in this, or even informed of the evidence. Denied the ability to make a decision based on his own well being.

If the fight had resulted in serious injury to DC, he would now be owed tens to hundreds of millions of dollars by the state of Nevada and Zuffa as a result of a lawsuit.

This is the best perspective I have yet heard on this. DC 'didn't need to know'. About the coke, fair enough. But not three abnormal hormone results? OF COURSE he had a right to know when engaging in unarmed combat with a man who had given THREE major red flags for PED usage.

For fucks sake, every fighter is a potential PED user until they pass or fail a PED test.. So let's call off all fights.. Fucking idiot lol

 

[Bryan teh Retar]

Yes. The T/E ratio is proof he was using Steroids and masking agents. No other logical explanation for it

I know you're being sarcastic but you're actually exactly right lol. There is no logical explanation for those values, well except for one..

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

How is saying that he didn't fight to his potential not an excuse?

Also, you had already agreed with me:

You seem to be picking and choosing though. Like the other guy pointed out, you said something along the lines of if he said I'll come back stronger it's not an excuse but that's basically saying the same thing as I didn't fight to my potential.

Giving a reason for why you didn't do what you thought you would do is an excuse, both saying "I didn't fight to my potential" and "I'll come back stronger" mean the same thing and both are reasonable excuses/reasons. DC is still likely to get better.

 

[Magx951]

Would it be fair for every fighter who loses to say they didn't fight to their potential, then?

Yeah, it would. I think most people would assume a fighter would think that. It isn't an excuse, it's just a statement of fact. Most fighters DO say that in some form. It's not an excuse, it just is. Especially when its a fighter who says that even if they win.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

For fucks sake, every fighter is a potential PED user until they pass or fail a PED test.. So let's call off all fights.. Fucking idiot lol

So when something looks highly suspicious it shouldn't be investigated? That's a strange opinion.

 

[ALAN PARTRIDGE]

let it go

 

[mental mickey]

I know you're being sarcastic but you're actually exactly right lol. There is no logical explanation for those values, well except for one..

Except from him having Low testosterone? You haven't even got a original level to base any of your accusations off.. It's not like you have a past result where you can hang on, he was 1.2 six months ago, something's caused a significant drop

 

[Mob69]

For fucks sake, every fighter is a potential PED user until they pass or fail a PED test.. So let's call off all fights.. Fucking idiot lol

I'm the idiot here? OK pal.

 

[Mob69]

So when something looks highly suspicious it shouldn't be investigated? That's a strange opinion.

The guy's name is Mental Mickey. I think that he is trying to tell us something.

 

[mental mickey]

So when something looks highly suspicious it shouldn't be investigated? That's a strange opinion.

When did I say there shouldn't be further testing, I was addressing the point that the UFC could go out of business for allowing a fight with a potential PED user partaking

 

[FallonFoxGOAT]

You seem to be picking and choosing though. Like the other guy pointed out, you said something along the lines of if he said I'll come back stronger it's not an excuse but that's basically saying the same thing as I didn't fight to my potential.

Giving a reason for why you didn't do what you thought you would do is an excuse, both saying "I didn't fight to my potential" and "I'll come back stronger" mean the same thing and both are reasonable excuses/reasons. DC is still likely to get better.

I don't agree that saying "I will come back stronger" is an excuse.

Just a way of saying he will learn from his loss and continue to improve.

Saying he didn't fight to his potential indicates that he was capable of doing better than he did, but for whatever reason did not.

 

[FallonFoxGOAT]

Yeah, it would. I think most people would assume a fighter would think that. It isn't an excuse, it's just a statement of fact. Most fighters DO say that in some form. It's not an excuse, it just is. Especially when its a fighter who says that even if they win.

Do only the winning fighters fight to their potential?