Should communist/Marxist orgs be banned in Universities?

[Trotsky]

No. I think that diversity has clearly been murdered by the liberals in the universities, and that this needs to be rectified immediately. This is just another example of where liberals believe in liberalism until it isn't in their best interests.

One wonders if investing your energy into causes against your own interests is ever possible, and by virtue of that thought, if liberalism is by definition designed to evolve into the fascism we're seeing (while unchecked capitalism/libertarianism is by definition designed to evolve to an oligarchy such as the one that exists).

Your use of the terms "liberalism" and "fascism" are truly confusing here. Beside the fact that the term "liberal" is a misnomer in American political discourse, even taking it in a colloquial sense is leaving me confused on your message here.

Is your argument that leftism doesn't bend itself ideologically to accommodate rightism? And that rigid leftism evolves into...fascism?

Also, this topic is silly. Every college you go to has a Young Republicans-type group, and they're usually fairly popular. To this day, my law school's biggest and most well-funded group is the Federalist Society, which basically exists to host speakers that are anti-union and opposed to racial justice-- they actually had a big event comparing contraceptive rights to slavery.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

no, you just ignore them if you don't like them.

For example, we had free speech steps at SDSU, and there was always some crazy person trying to talk to you over there. Every time a Hare Krishna or Mormon tried to convert me, I'd light either a cigarette or blunt and just start smoking it right in front of them, they got the pt pretty quickly.

too easy

 

[Losfer Words]

Can't ban thought at universities and most of Marx's writings are very important to historians, poli-sci, sociology etc. Also university orgs are usually pretty toothless and function for many as a growing experience.

 

[Rod1]

Already tried and didnt worked as expected

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

The problem with regulating ideas is that you turn anything into a witch hunt.

 

[HockeyBjj]

No. Never ban ideas and sharing. Only time is if it is directly calling for harm against others

Universities need to allow more conflicting views and open for "adult" discussion though. Saying you're a capitalist gets you drowned out in the shouting

 

[Falsedawn]

No. Never ban ideas and sharing. Only time is if it is directly calling for harm against others

Universities need to allow more conflicting views and open for "adult" discussion though. Saying you're a capitalist gets you drowned out in the shouting

Spoken like someone who has probably never been on a college campus in his life. Fucking lol.

 

[n...not crazy]

Don't ban ideologies and ideas.

Also if you go to college, major in a STEM field. Then you'll never have to interact with these frickin' whacko social professors (I know a couple of those professors IRL, they're real things).

 

[Deleted member 196663]

If your country is a practicing Capitalist democracy do you think its time this sort of ideology be banned from Universities as this could be really undermining the constitution and the Nation?

I am not sure about the laws in the USA about Political parties but in my country Communist groups and political parties have long been tolerated by the government and have been accepted as a legit political platform since the early 90s.

Now the Communists have really taken over the government because the people have already been brainwashed by communist professors from universities.

So restricting freedom is now a way to defend freedom?

 

[ShinkanPo]

So restricting freedom is now a way to defend freedom?

Yes!!! Specialy from ideologies that does not promote fredom,democracy and fre speechm

 

[panamaican]

Why? If they aren't banned outside of universities, why ban them within?

 

[ShinkanPo]

No if they dont break any laws, also students should be expose to all ideas in Universities.
We also have the saying if you are not a socialist when you are 20 you have no heart, and when you are still a socialist when you are 35 you are an Idiot.
I was never a socialist but I had different views when I was 20. And the few people I know that were involved in socialist groups back in university, are mid 30 now with a mortgage, family, driving a soccer mom SUV and try to climb the corporate ladder.
Reality will catch up to the ideology, as long as they are not violent I dont see an issue, let people make their experiences.

The problem is these college socialists are still voting commies into office commies that have ties to some stalinist,Maoist type of Communism.

In our recent elections a lot of youths voted for Rodrigo Dutae who is now practically giving the Philippines to the Chinese!!!!!

 

[ShinkanPo]

Why? If they aren't banned outside of universities, why ban them within?

I am saying ban them also outside of the universe

 

[Deleted member 196663]

Yes!!! Specialy from ideologies that does not promote fredom,democracy and fre speechm

So you want ideas to be policed? Who exactly is going to draw the line on what does and doesn't promote freedom, democracy and free speech?

Anyways, this is discussion is irrelevant. The First Amendment is not going to be altered. And honestly it's arrogant as fuck for you to dismiss it in favor of whatever good idea you randomly came up with. As if you know better than the founders of this country.

 

[panamaican]

I am saying ban them also outside of the universe

So straight up banning people's freedom of speech and freedom of assembly?

Violating the Constitution isn't the best way to protect it.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Not a chance in hell. Who would enforce that kind of ban and exactly how would you define a ban such as that? Communism and socialism were basically just re-branded as "liberalism" here in the US, so do we ban that school of thought as well? Where does it stop before you realize you've literally introduced a strict form of thought control and have basically become communists / socialists?

You actually have a good point there buddy I am not into that Mcarthyism thing but what I want for my country is stability not some radical changes in ecconomic and millitary policy that could potentially kill hundreds of people.

I am an Idealist but I am not insane. I can even say that I am a pro socialist to some extent If I am an American I would easily be a Democrat but with whats happening in my country now I wish Ronald Regan is back.


You Know Rodrigo Dutae is so bad if he can turn a Democrwt into a republican.

 

[ShinkanPo]

So you want ideas to be policed? Who exactly is going to draw the line on what does and doesn't promote freedom, democracy and free speech?

Anyways, this is discussion is irrelevant. The First Amendment is not going to be altered. And honestly it's arrogant as fuck for you to dismiss it in favor of whatever good idea you randomly came up with.

What if there is group who consistently push for changing the constitution? How do we stop those people from polluting the minds of our youth with lies and propaganda?

 

[Kalmah]

Worked well for Indonesia. Anwar Congo bless.

 

[usmctanker242]

You actually have a good point there buddy I am not into that Mcarthyism thing but what I want for my country is stability not some radical changes in ecconomic and millitary policy that could potentially kill hundreds of people.

I am an Idealist but I am not insane. I can even say that I am a pro socialist to some extent If I am an American I would easily be a Democrat but with whats happening in my country now I wish Ronald Regan is back.


You Know Rodrigo Dutae is so bad if he can turn a Democrwt into a republican.

You're sounding very disjointed here and I'm not exactly sure what it is that you're trying to state. You're an idealist and a partial-socialist, but other people shouldn't be allowed to have ideals which differ from yours because of some kind of supposed instability to your country?

 

[Deleted member 196663]

What if there is group who consistently push for changing the constitution? How do we stop those people from polluting the minds of our youth with lies and propaganda?

A little group isn't going to change the constitution. For the constitution to be changed two-thirds of the House and Senate must approve the proposal, and then three-fourths of the states must also back it.

 

[manlyseaeagle]

Could never get my head around seeing stuffy white middle class students with there solidarity for Castro and the Cuban people yet I bet they have never lived in a communist country like Cuba, old USSR etc