Should Andrade's slam of Namajunas be banned in MMA?

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Should this slam be banned from MMA?

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  1. TCE

    TCE The Three Piece with the Soda Platinum Member

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    Marc Raimondi with an excellent article on ESPN.

    Jessica Andrade is the new UFC women's strawweight champion. She earned that title with a violent, second-round slam knockout of Rose Namajunas at UFC 237 on Saturday night in Brazil.

    The technique, Andrade driving Namajunas down to the mat head and neck first, was a legal one. It was well within the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts. Regulators agree on that fact.

    The big question coming out of this weekend, though, is not if such a vicious slam is legal -- it's whether or not it should be.

    According to the Unified Rules of MMA: "Any throw with an arc to its motion is to be considered a legal throw." In addition, if a submission is being attempted by one fighter, his or her opponent is able to pick that fighter up and "bring that opponent down in any fashion they desire because they are not in control of their opponent's body." Andrade's slam met both criteria; it had an arc and Namajunas was attempting a kimura submission at the time. It was legal.

    An illegal slam is a very specific violation and extremely rare in MMA. It is defined in the rules as a "pile driver," where a fighter controls the opponent's body, "placing their feet up in the air with their head straight down and then forcibly drives the opponent's head into the canvas or flooring material."

    Namajunas was knocked out by the legal slam and Andrade was ruled the winner via TKO by referee Marc Goddard. The angle in which Namajunas' head hit the mat was difficult to watch, but Namajunas did not go to the hospital afterward, her agent, Brian Butler, told ESPN's Ariel Helwani.

    Brazilian MMA Athletic Commission (CABMMA) executive director Cristiano Sampaio told ESPN that he has already requested that the topic of slams be brought up this month on the Association of Boxing Commissions and Combative Sports (ABC) rules and regulations committee conference call. Sampaio, whose agency regulated UFC 237, is a member of that committee.

    "Whatever is decided, I am sure fighters' safety will always be the No. 1 priority," Sampaio wrote in an email statement. "And I have also requested an input from CABMMA's medical committee. Hopefully by July, in the ABC's annual conference, we can come to conclusions whether or not this rule should be improved."

    Dr. John Neidecker, the vice president of the Association of Ringside Physicians (ARP), told ESPN that while the kind of slam Andrade used was dangerous, a straight up-and-down spike of the head into the mat is likely to be what would put fighters "more at risk" for short- and long-term damage -- even paralysis.

    "The most dangerous thing as far as a neck is concerned is that head-on collision, that axial pressure going straight down the cervical spine," Neidecker, a sports medicine and orthopedics specialist, said. "So if you're doing a slam that is going straight up and down, you're definitely putting somebody more at risk for that type of impact.

    "When you're having that arc [on a slam], you're really taking away that component of axial pressure down the neck. You may get more hyper extension or hyper side-bending to the neck, and that can cause injury, but that's not going to cause the catastrophic injuries you see with paralysis like an axial spine blow does. There's a potential of injury to the neck with any type of slam, but there's the potential for injury with pretty much everything in MMA. That's the name of the game."

    The slam rule is written so specifically, because of the desire to keep "fighting as limitless as possible in the cage," within reason when it comes to health and safety, according to California State Athletic Commission (CSAC) executive officer Andy Foster, who also chairs the ABC's medical committee.

    More here (including comments on the slam rule from John McCarthy, CSAC officer Andy Foster and NJSACB councel Nick Lembo):

    Well worth a read.

    http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/26735420/should-andrade-slam-namajunas-banned-mma
     
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  2. Keenan

    Keenan White Belt

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    Lmao give it up Rose fanboys

    Your girl got KO'd stiff by the better fighter
     
  3. Mortal Wombat

    Mortal Wombat Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    As others have said she did the same thing before and got slammed, this time she landed wrong. At the time i thought it was a spike but after watching again it was a good slam and not against the official rules.
     
  4. Soul On Ice

    Soul On Ice Arguably Never Lost

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    It's fighting
    Pretty much everything about it is dangerous

    Slam KOs rarely happen in MMA and I don't recall anyone being seriously injured by one
    Leave it alone
     
  5. LaYLa & SaDiE

    LaYLa & SaDiE High on booty

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    Tombstone piledrivers for everyone
     
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    qw3rty R.I.P @FrankieNYC

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    I voted No.
    I think the rules are (at least for this move) pretty clear and every fighter should be aware of that.
     
  7. TCE

    TCE The Three Piece with the Soda Platinum Member

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    The title I used is the title of the article I provided.

    I voted 'no', this slam should definitely not be banned from MMA.
     
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  8. Keenan

    Keenan White Belt

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    I wasn't talking about you

    I was referring to the writers of that lame article, and the general MMA fanbase.
     
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  9. GiSP

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    Absolutely not. It’s not against the rules, and the rules are strict enough. They need to enforce the actual rules regarding, pokes, fence grabs, etc. Not make new unnecessary rules.

    That slam was awesome to see.
     
  10. Sixstring

    Sixstring Guitar Slayer

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    No - a harsh slam but legal. Let us keep it that way. I doubt we will see an explosion of head slams now.
     
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  11. SimonNova

    SimonNova Sire of Sin

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    Ban wmma. Problem solved.
     
  12. Yacob

    Yacob He texts me "I want Khabib. IN RUSSIA"

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    I'm of the understanding that Rose could have/should have rotated


    So idk what you want people to do...but then again there's literally a rule exists because people who've never had their hands wrapped saw a guy on tv breaking fake cinder blocks or some shit
     
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    kneesus Orange Belt

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    So it's within the rules and doc says it's not dangerous.

    Nothing to see here.
     
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  14. RiseAboveHat

    RiseAboveHat Green Belt

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    Rose could've avoided being slammed on her head by letting go of the kimura, so no
     
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  15. Workaholic

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    Marc Raimondi is 4 foot 11 so I can understand why being lifted off the ground is a scary thing for him but this is MMA for fucks sake and slams should be allowed

    If rose released the grip she would have landed on her back anyways
     
  16. gevoudane

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    Im a fan of Rose and I had no problem with the slam. It was no where near a spike. Just looked bad.
     
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    TITS Rda Belt Platinum Member

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    It should be banned, followed by overturning the ruling to a DQ, and forfeiture of the title. (Not to mention the "phantom tap".)

    Give Rose the belt back.
     
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  18. Gilday

    Gilday Silver Belt

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    Imagine being outraged that you can get slammed on your head, but be totally fine with someone getting KO'ed with a headkick and being pounded on until the ref pulls someone off

    It's fighting. If you're not willing to risk serious injury you shouldn't sign up for it
     
  19. Megatronlee

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    I wish it had been a spike. But it was totally legal guys relax. IS NORMAL
     
  20. Ronoc Rogergcm

    Ronoc Rogergcm White Belt

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    Still have not seen the gif. Someone please embed. How tf you gonna have a poll without including primary source material, yet post a lengthy commentary (secondary source) material??

    Seems like weighted dice...

    Vid pls
     
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