Should America really be 3 separate countries?

[intrepid brawler]

The upper Midwest controls most of our nations freshwater. Don’t sleep on that

dont they use it all on their farms?

 

[BFoe]

maybe you're right about az. only been there twice for a weekend both times, so don't really know about it. i know people from az and they don't act at all like those from down south or from the midwest. they seem a lot more liberal.

Well it is changing that’s true. I totally refused to believe that it was going to go blue in 2020, and it looks like I was wrong. When I visit (I still have friends and family there) I sense that it is changing. But it’s a weird state. Normally big cities are liberal, but Maricopa County where Phoenix is elected Joe Arpaio as sheriff a bunch of times, lol.

 

[High Altitude]

the chinese economy is the second most powerful in the world...and has grown exponentially over the past few decades. ir's estimated china is well on track to replace america as the world's leading superpower within a decade.

I doubt the canadians and mexicans agree that they are americans. if they were, the us would have socialized medicine and mexico would enjoy a higher standard of living.

China wouldn’t be able to get enough oil and food if it wasn’t for the USA navy.

China also has a huge flaw. They care more about face, their autonomy, and would gladly sacrifice millions of their people to keep it. China would shut the doors to their country before having to compromise.

 

[LikeItIs]

Love it, great idea.

 

[IGIT]

I hope America breaks up. Red states will be a wasteland in under a decade.

hello and well met, StoneColdSteveAustin,

some of the Southern States would do alright, i think. North Carolina might survive.

i do wonder what would happen to places like Alabama. West Virginia would become a very strange land, also (its already kinda strange, but its strangeness would become more strange).

- IGIT

 

[tdluxon]

The upper Midwest controls most of our nations freshwater. Don’t sleep on that

True but those states may want to become part of the northeast if this hypothetical actually happened. If you factor in Lake Erie and the Great Lakes Michigan connects to New York State and Pennsylvania and on to Illinois and Wisconsin and Minnesota.

Not that this is ever going to happen anyways

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

hello and well met, StoneColdSteveAustin,

some of the Southern States would do alright, i think. North Carolina might survive.

i do wonder what would happen to places like Alabama. West Virginia would become a very strange land, also (its already kinda strange, but its strangeness would become more strange).

- IGIT

Alabama. Mississippi. Arkansas plus many other would be in deep shite.

 

[Fugazy]

dont they use it all on their farms?

No not at all.

A lot of States buy water from them with a pledge to return it. California is one of them. But before it can be sold all the states have to agree to the terms of whatever deal is negotiated.

 

[High Altitude]

The middle of the country would dominate.

Food, oil, water.

If you look at what countries dominate, it always goes back to the basics.

Food, energy, military, and how well your lands are naturally protected from others.

 

[IGIT]

they would simply have to learn to get along without those states. that would be the price to pay for not having liberals running the government.

hio intrepid brawler,

i think the South would be ok, sort of, if they split off.

the south would deregulate EPA protections to smithereens (since they'd no longer be bound by the EPA). ditto OSHA. there'd be no unions, or any left in the South would be radically weaker since public support there is non-existent.

i can see the Northeast and the West "offshoring" to the South. they'd be impoverished and easy prey for all those pointy headed MBAs in the northeast. low wage work would would thrive in Mississippi. garbage scows from the Newark would arrive in Charleston Harbor. wealthy college kids from Maryland would go "south of the border" to some lawless party town in West Virginia to drink 'til they're blind.

*ponders*

California and Pennsylvania would find some crackpot governor in Kentucky or Florida to accept their hazardous waste for a fee.

in a way, the South would be fine, depending on how you define the term.

- IGIT

 

[Fugazy]

True but those states may want to become part of the northeast if this hypothetical actually happened. If you factor in Lake Erie and the Great Lakes Michigan connects to New York State and Pennsylvania and on to Illinois and Wisconsin and Minnesota.

Not that this is ever going to happen anyways

I don’t think they’d want that.

Their culture and affinity for their lakes is very unique and a matter of identity and pride.

Can you explain how Michigan connects to NY? Not saying you are wrong, I just don’t follow that bit.

 

[IGIT]

Alabama. Mississippi. Arkansas plus many other would be in deep shite.

hio SCSA,

their standard of living would change very much, i think.

*muses*

those hurricane ravaged states that rely on FEMA to rebuild their shit year after year....lol. they'll pine for socialism.

- IGIT

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

hio SCSA,

their standard of living would change very much, i think.

*muses*

those hurricane ravaged states that rely on FEMA to rebuild their shit year after year....lol. they'll pine for socialism.

- IGIT

Unlike Trump cultists who hate other people and who want to kick dirt on people In need, I have no problem helping out states that underperform and giving care to the citizens who live there.

the problem I have is that these folks receiving our help hate us. They hate big city blue state types. Constantly slapping the hand that feeds them.

 

[Oceanmachine]

The Midwest and south are reliant on the other regions, it would hurt them economically.

Yes so let them go they are deadweight

 

[Oceanmachine]

Unlike Trump cultists who hate other people and who want to kick dirt on people In need, I have no problem helping out states that underperform and the giving care to the citizens who live there.

the problem I have is that these folks receiving our help hate us. They hate big city blue state types. Constantly slapping the hand that feeds them.

So let them secede and offer citizenship to good people fleeing those states.

 

[Oceanmachine]

Alabama. Mississippi. Arkansas plus many other would be in deep shite.

I think they would be fine they all (except arkansas) of what you named touch the ocean. They just would be poor I imagine it will become like Romania or Moldova maybe Tunisia.

 

[Oceanmachine]

The conservative Midwest-south can’t survive economically without the money that comes in from the west coast and northeast. They’ve been essentially subsidized for years, Texas and Florida are the only ones that have any substantial economic activity, otherwise they are gonna have to sell a lot of corn.

Worse off located and resource poor areas of earth exist. They would be fine just poorer.

 

[IGIT]

So let them secede and offer citizenship to good people fleeing those states.

hola Oceanmachine,

we could offer them citizenship.

*muses*

i'd insist on strict border controls, though. i'd feel bad if i saw southerners in cages separated from their children...but what's good for the goose...

- IGIT

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

I think they would be fine they all (except arkansas) of what you named touch the ocean. They just would be poor I imagine it will become like Romania or Moldova maybe Tunisia.

Yeah their lives would be bad there.

 

[tdluxon]

I don’t think they’d want that.

Their culture and affinity for their lakes is very unique and a matter of identity and pride.

Can you explain how Michigan connects to NY? Not saying you are wrong, I just don’t follow that bit.

They just connect if you factor in the lakes...They are both on Lake Erie so there theoretically could be a direct shipping line that wouldn’t have to cross through the hypothetical Midwest country (ny state not ny city)