Shogun/Machida vs Hendricks/St Pierre, which was worse?

I thought Hendricks won extremely narrowly - close enough that it could be easily the other way.

I thought Shogun won three rounds pretty clearly and a fourth fairly closely. That was a bad, baaaaaaaad decision.
 
Hendricks was worse.

He beat the shit/tar out of GSP.

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Much of the fight went like this

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Machida-Shogun I

Also, I hope you're ready to move on to refuting a different shit poster with facts
 
Both in the argument for worst robbery in a shitle fight with only the Georgie and Lyoto fangirls making arguments for them winning but Shogoon/Lyoto is numero uno on that list. The outrage for the decision was unprecendeted and there was barely a soul making a case for Lyoto winning including even a judge (or two maybe) saying they made the wrong call.

- The audience was largely in favor of Machida before the fight. After the decision was announced, the only thing you could hear was boos, boos and more boos.

- Rogan and Goldberg gave the fight to Shogun.




Dana White: "I thought Shogun won"

Link:
Dana White "I thought Shogun won the fight." [video]




MMA journalists, websites:

FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
CompuStrike: Rua outlanded Machida 89-50 in Total Strikes landed including 73 Leg Strikes landed. Rua dominated the fight and did just about everything he needed to do to beat the undefeated Machida, including outlanding Machida in every round, but apparently it wasn't enough for the judges.
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
Savage Science: 49-46 Rua
ESPN / Jake Rossen: 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
411mania.com: 48-47 Rua
CagePotato: 49-46 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
MMAConvert: Rua ("Machida was given a gift")
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen -- 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp -- 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley -- 50-45 Rua
Sports Illustrated (thanks jamers):
Ben Fowlkes - Rua ("They say you have to clearly beat the champion if you want to take his belt. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua seemed to have done just that at UFC 104 on Saturday night, but the mere fact that UFC light heavyweight champ Lyoto Machida was still conscious at the end was apparently enough for the judges to give him the victory")
Joss Gross: 48-47 Rua
MMARising / Robert Sargeant (thanks TheEnigma): 49-46 Rua
FightLine: 49-46 Rua (thanks karatelarusso)
Loretta Hunt (thanks On Letting Go): Rua ("I am very disappointed in the decision. Very upsetting. The sport owes Mauricio "Shogun" Rua a big apology.")
TATAME (thanks Radamantis): "Maurício “Shogun” Rua was the underdog, but the 2005 Pride GP champion “surprised” everybody with a perfect strategy and performance, dominating three out of five rounds against Lyoto Machida, but losing by unanimous decision (48-47)."

credit: dystemper (thanks for compiling most of this list) and others for contributing (listed above)

Dystemper's original thread:
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/wha.../#post34126203




Pro fighters who thought Shogun won:

- Anthony Johnson (post-fight conference)
- Joe Stevenson (post-fight conference)
- Cain Velasquez (post-fight conference)
- Shane Carwin (via Twitter)
"great night of fights. further proof you have to finish as the judges just can't score MMA"
- Denis Kang (via Twitter)
"Shogun got robbed last night IMO."
- Efrain Escudero (via Twitter)
"I'm sorry but shogun won that fight easy"
- Kenny Florian (via Twitter)
"I love Machida but Shogun won that fight!!"
- Joe Lauzon (via Twitter)
"I think Shogun won it."
- Frank Trigg
"he [Shogun] got robbed, was looking 4 don king"
- Roy Nelson
"I just lost $5 on shogun, I am mad, shogun won 4 rounds to 1"
- Joe Doerkson
"Shogun won four rounds out of five ... I am disgusted."
- Brendan Schaub
"Shogun won that fight."
- Jorge Gurgel
"Wow. I was cheering for Machida, but believe Shogun just got robbed... That is the very worst feeling in the world."
- BJ Penn (via Facebook)
"Did Shogun win? yeah."
- Rampage Jackson (via his website)
"Shogun getting robbed like that was pretty cut throat"
- Jon Jones (via Twitter)
"Watched it again this morning and still just saying wow. I guess the next guy might just need to bring a sword"
- Ben Henderson (via Twitter)
"To me that was a bad decision. Rua was more active and the aggressor."
- Kit Cope (via Twitter)
"What?!?! That was the worst robbery I have seen in the UFC ever!!!"
- Jake Shields (via Twitter)
"Even though Shogun should have won that fight!"
- Miguel Torres (via Twitter)
"Shogun is back. Very impressed, Muay Thai 1, Karate 0."
- Cameron Dollar? (via Twitter)
"Man the ufc judging tonight was garbage"
- Jay Silva (via Twitter)
"Ufc 104 was okay rua won the fight but u all know u gotta bit the camp 2 be a champ, but wht about the rampage fight hmmmm"
- Matt Brown (via Twitter)
"Shogun def robbed, but after a 2nd watch it was closer than I thought at first. I gave Machida rd 1 & MAYBE rd 3. Just my two cents..."
- Tiki Ghosn (via Twitter)
"Karate doesn't work against Muay Thai"
- Frank Shamrock (via Twitter)
"Shogun won that fight"
- Antonio Silva
- Vitor Belfort (TATAME.com)
"UFC judges aren’t good to judge. To beat the champion, you only have to win, it doesn’t matter how."
- Rickson Gracie (according to Shogun)
- Randy Couture
"Shogun won 4 rounds."
- Wanderlei Silva (training partner)
"he [Machida] did not do enough to win the fight"
- Rashad Evans (MMA Live)
- Marcus Jones (MMA Live)
- Dave Meltzer
- Tito Ortiz (MMA Connected)
"I gave 4 of 1 rounds to Shogun as well."

Pro fighters who thought Machida won:

- Josh Thomson (via Twitter)
"Watch the dam fight again. Machida won 3rnds an shogun won the last 2."
- Anderson Silva (Machida's best friend)
"Lyoto won every round." (TATAME.com inteview)
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OMFG this again. The simple answer is both of them were bad, incorrect judging. The champion was given an early phantom round. Round 3 of gsp hendricks was closer then round 1 was.
 
After dozens of rewatches Machida / Rua I thought it was 10-10, then 2/3 Machida and 4/5 Shogun.

Hendricks / GSP was egregious though.
 
These two fights shouldn't even be in the same discussion. Shogun/Machida was by far a worse robbery.
 
I don't consider either fight a blatant "robbery". Shogun and Hendricks appeared to do enough to win at the time, but I thought the difference was narrow enough at the time that it could really have gone either way both times.

Sometimes a combination of Rogan's commentary and Dana's post fight reaction is enough to make us see fights differently than they actually went down. Especially with the GSP/Hendricks fight.. damn, Rogan's commentary was all over the action when Hendricks was scoring, but basically ignored GSP's high points. I rewatched it this past week, and this really stood out to me. It can really influence your perception.
 
Hideo said:
After dozens of rewatches Machida / Rua I thought it was 10-10, then 2/3 Machida and 4/5 Shogun.

Hendricks / GSP was egregious though.
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People on here always act like machida/Rua wasn't close.

Rogan bias and the shock that shogun was doing so well plays into it a lot. It was very close

GSP beat Hendricks don't know why people still cry about that decision.
 
Hendrick X GSP by far

Shogun X Lyoto was close till the end and the visual of Lyoto being slowed down in the 5th by the accumulation of leg kicks throughout the fight made it seem like more of a robbery than it was.

Lyoto looked beaten, GSP was beaten.
 
ExitLUPin said:
Both in the argument for worst robbery in a shitle fight with only the Georgie and Lyoto fangirls making arguments for them winning but Shogoon/Lyoto is numero uno on that list. The outrage for the decision was unprecendeted and there was barely a soul making a case for Lyoto winning including even a judge (or two maybe) saying they made the wrong call.
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Condit fans have no shame.

The dude ran and point fought under the new rule changes he would lose that fight. I hope for a rematch and look forward to the day when Condit starts getting knocked out and chased out of the ufc.
 
Both are close fights.

Shogun fans would tell you otherwise.
 
ExitLUPin said:
Both in the argument for worst robbery in a shitle fight with only the Georgie and Lyoto fangirls making arguments for them winning but Shogoon/Lyoto is numero uno on that list. The outrage for the decision was unprecendeted and there was barely a soul making a case for Lyoto winning including even a judge (or two maybe) saying they made the wrong call.
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Lol at that one guy who said Karate doesn't work against Muay Thai. Such an ignorant response, but yeah the decision wasn't the greatest.
 
SouthoftheAndes said:
Hendricks was worse.

He beat the shit/tar out of GSP.

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Much of the fight went like this

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Unfortunately, fights are scored by rounds, not pictures of faces. Hendricks coasted in the 5th and gave it away. It was his own fault.
 
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