Shogun is def not a UFC HOFer

[JosephTessaro]

PRIDE maybe, UFC, lol no. He was an average fighter at 205 for the UFC.

I don't know. I guess I can see if you split his Pride and UFC records, but it isn't like he faced shit opponents in the UFC right off the bat.

That said, been a big fan of his, I thought he lost tonight. Nothing like his old self, win or loss.

 

[nostradumbass]

I sort of agree, depending on the criteria, but the UFC don't have any criteria. I mean he did win the title but he didn't do that much to get the title shot and lost his first defense pretty handily. After Machida, his best win is Forrest, who he also lost to and his UFC record is now 10-9-1. That's not very good but he did have the title briefly and is always entertaining, so I could see them putting him in.