Shin breaks in muay thai?

For one thing, Silva's legs looks like toothpicks compared with the likes of Yod and Saenchai. Also, I don't think kicks are a primary weapon for Silva, mostly a distraction or help him set up punches. When he does use kicks as a means to apply power they are more unorthodox.

With that said, I believe if he had actually utilized traditional MT strengthening techniques then that shin break woulda never happened.

Edit: as many other Sherdoggers have stated, there is a strong possibility that it was due to a fracture already within the shin bone.
 
Lol nak muays have strong shins no doubt but to say they are immune to leg breaks is dumb.

They avoid leg breaks because they learn it through good timing, set ups, technique and decision making.

Anderson threw a low kick full blasts with no set up and if i remember correctly he did it previously before the break.
 
people still believe in thais kicking banana trees and numbing the nerves with bottles?
 
SubZero84 said:
True, however it also helps to use other techniques such as this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0B05IG6hqs
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This is BS, a lot of researches debunked this. All this does is destroy the nerves in the bone so when you get your kick checked you don't feel anything, its like taking the batteries away from a fire alarm. You might not be aware of the fire but you'll still burn. It creates situations like you saw Saturday, Anderson throwing a huge kick the first time, gets checked, cracks his shin, but doesn't feel shit. So he continues fighting, throws the exact same kick, gets checked at the exact same spot, and break his shin bone in half.
 
insomniacl said:
Sure, buakaw undoubtedly has harder shins.

But Anderson fights at 185 where Buakaw fights at ~155. Anderson definitely cuts more weight too. He has more mass, and can thus generate more absolute force. His build is skinny and long.

The physics of situation are entirely different, its not just a matter of kicking technique or training style
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so in other words, are you saying Anderson's kicks were harder than Buakaw's???:eek::eek::eek:
 
but my coach put it best when he said, "December 28, 2013- the day EVERYBODY became a leg kick expert" lol
 
DatSamboKid said:
This is BS, a lot of researches debunked this. All this does is destroy the nerves in the bone so when you get your kick checked you don't feel anything, its like taking the batteries away from a fire alarm. You might not be aware of the fire but you'll still burn. It creates situations like you saw Saturday, Anderson throwing a huge kick the first time, gets checked, cracks his shin, but doesn't feel shit. So he continues fighting, throws the exact same kick, gets checked at the exact same spot, and break his shin bone in half.
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Dead nerves don't make your leg break, bad technique plus a knee spike does.
 
most mt practitioners i see hardens their leg with a wooden stick wrapped with a thin rope or something similar to a shinai..
my 29 year old trainer does it...
 
salamander7 said:
most mt practitioners i see hardens their leg with a wooden stick wrapped with a thin rope or something similar to a shinai..
my 29 year old trainer does it...
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Goes to show you that they didn't learn MT properly.
 
GordoBarraBJJ said:
well kru toy(sityodtong) had nothing but good things to say 'bout anderson's muay thai - and this was off the record while I was in brazil a few years back. He's an mma fighter and cannot really focus on strict muay thai full time.

I doubt anderson trains like what you've seen all the time.
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I've lived and trained in Thailand nothing you can tell me will convince me Anderson Silva was ever a world class Muay Thai fighter he was a kickboxer and excelled in MMA but to go on about his Muay Thai skills is like telling me that basketball and soccer are the same because they both play with round balls.

I think as an MMA fighter fantastic.
 
Seems like a technique for which risk/reward is way out of whack. Is it true that MT fighters rarely use the leg kick? If so I can see why, especially without a setup. But why bother to set up such a low percentage kick? Why not set up a kick to the head?

This is one technique that seems to be driven more by rules and attire than anything else and not very realistic outside of the ring. Put shoes on the fighters and allow knee kicks and I think you'd be seeing more side kicks to the leg a la Royce Gracie. When real shoes are worn, those foot stomps and side kicks start to take a new meaning. Not a break but more of a check/deterrent in place of the round kick, I think it would work better at less risk to the kicker.

Imagine your leg breaking in half in an altercation just so you can wear the guy's legs down over time. Pretty ridiculous.

I could see knee strike as being a devastating counter to the MT low kick set up by leaving the front leg out as bait. Not only to check but to intentionally destroy the weapon as they do in FMA with feeding punches to the elbow.

That would make people think twice about throwing it if they are not already.

I somehow doubt this will be the last time this kind of injury happens in MMA.
 
JohnSouth said:
Seems like a technique for which risk/reward is way out of whack. Is it true that MT fighters rarely use the leg kick? If so I can see why, especially without a setup. But why bother to set up such a low percentage kick? Why not set up a kick to the head?
This is one technique that seems to be driven more by rules and attire than anything else and not very realistic outside of the ring. Put shoes on the fighters and allow knee kicks and I think you'd be seeing more side kicks to the leg a la Royce Gracie. When real shoes are worn, those foot stomps and side kicks start to take a new meaning. Not a break but more of a check/deterrent in place of the round kick, I think it would work better at less risk to the kicker.

Imagine your leg breaking in half in an altercation just so you can wear the guy's legs down over time. Pretty ridiculous.

I could see knee strike as being a devastating counter to the MT low kick set up by leaving the front leg out as bait. Not only to check but to intentionally destroy the weapon as they do in FMA with feeding punches to the elbow.

That would make people think twice about throwing it if they are not already.

I somehow doubt this will be the last time this kind of injury happens in MMA.
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The low kick is a set-up for the high kick.
 
The problem in MMA is I'd say that both quality lowkicks and quality lowkick defence are rare.

This means we see a lot of fighters get away with rather poorly setup and thrown lowkicks without sustaining injury so fans come to underestimate the importance of these aspects
 
JohnSouth said:
Seems like a technique for which risk/reward is way out of whack. Is it true that MT fighters rarely use the leg kick? If so I can see why, especially without a setup. But why bother to set up such a low percentage kick? Why not set up a kick to the head?

This is one technique that seems to be driven more by rules and attire than anything else and not very realistic outside of the ring. Put shoes on the fighters and allow knee kicks and I think you'd be seeing more side kicks to the leg a la Royce Gracie. When real shoes are worn, those foot stomps and side kicks start to take a new meaning. Not a break but more of a check/deterrent in place of the round kick, I think it would work better at less risk to the kicker.

Imagine your leg breaking in half in an altercation just so you can wear the guy's legs down over time. Pretty ridiculous.

I could see knee strike as being a devastating counter to the MT low kick set up by leaving the front leg out as bait. Not only to check but to intentionally destroy the weapon as they do in FMA with feeding punches to the elbow.

That would make people think twice about throwing it if they are not already.

I somehow doubt this will be the last time this kind of injury happens in MMA.
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At the highest level most kicks are thrown to the body and guys usually throw light leg kicks the first two rounds then give them up after that. Their are Thais that have low kick styles but they know how to set them up. Against foreigners Thais open up more with they leg kicks because the defense isn't there.


Leg kicks do land and do end fights whether due to stoppage or by wearing the person down and affecting their ofence.

The chances of having your leg snap like Anderson is very low.

I hope people don't give up leg kicks because of this, as they are clearly effective they just need to be set up properly.

There is a bigger risk of being knocked out by an overhand right over the top of a jab then their is going out from a check. Shouldn't give up jabs because of the risk.
 
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Is it wrong to assume this mostly happens to long, lanky fighters who cut a lot of weight? It should be less common to guys with stockier, bigger boned builds - like Manhoef, Hoost or Ghita. Buakaw too is often the shorter, thicker boned fighter.
 
Here's a skinny guy that ends fights with low kicks with no problems.

.... Of course, he sets them up nicely and turns up the heat as the fight goes on.
 
Pornsanae Sitmonchai is a Thai well known for his low kicks.
 
crazybull said:
Pornsanae Sitmonchai is a Thai well known for his low kicks.
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He sets them up with punches and starts the fight throwing them lighter, then turns up the heat as the opponent starts slowing down.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFsGDlldNTc
Maybe that's why I ve never seen broken shin in muay thai, because they kicking like Bas Rutten shows. I know you guys posted this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ru9MgPZmUg
But look what man from that fight posted in comment:

"I am the guy fighting in this video. I am not proud of fighting an over weight and underskilled Thai like this guy.Anyway, I was very sick and they changed my fighter to this guy at the last minute to make it easier for me. That bit worked. The guy was just a very unhealthy person. He was not a fighter and I think he was just a big drinker, jumping in to make a couple thousand baht. The sound when he kicked me was disgusting and I helped carry him to a waiting tuk tuk to go to hospital."

So that injury happen to untrained and unhealthy person... if someone will find a video where thai fighter broke or injure his own shin, please paste it. BUT anyway, I saw that one of Buakaw's kick was painful for him... that one from page 2.
 
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