Sherk Vs Penn ... Wrestling Vs BJJ

[kidrobot]

Here is one of the many wrestling VS bjj threads, but with a little twist.

Sherk v Penn match is almost a lock to go down. If the match does go down it will probably be an almost pure grappling match. Do you guys think this a good bar to judge if BJJ is better than wrestling or wrestling is better than BJJ in MMA?

 

[juanlawnmower]

I'm going to be surprised if it's much different from the Hermes fight.

Sherk can lay n pray with the best of them. He's going to try to grind another one out.

 

[Clifford]

good one juan, try GnPing/submitting a black belt in BJJ, who is a top 10 MMA fighter. The fact you can even pass that guard is a feat itself.

That comparison doesn't quite work. I do not think it's a good bar because Sherk has been training BJJ for quite some time.

 

[woogie12]

But sherk isn't going to try and GnP or submit, that's why he always goes to a UD. He doesn't cause any damage to keep himself out of danger.

 

[Throatpoker]

For being considered such a strong guy, I really don't see him overpowering his opponents like someone with such a hype should do. LnP is not a measure of strength. BTW, for those of you expecting Saku vs. Newton out of this fight, it won't happen. I think BJ has the advantage in both ranges.

 

[Spoonman7]

Bj's juits is on a different level than Florian's and Franca's and those guys are solid, sold backbelts, with Bj's strikng he can beat Sherk as long as he is in shape.

 

[Clifford]

Why aren't any of you retards even answering the OP's question?

Also, how the fuck is he not overpowering his opponents, when he takedowns them down at will. Even when Franca managed to get up on several occasions, Sherk was relentless and took him right down. Not to mention the 2-3 slams Sherk pulled. I guess people that don't train in wrestle don't realize how damn powerful his takedowns are.

 

[juanlawnmower]

Why aren't any of you retards even answering the OP's question?

Also, how the fuck is he not overpowering his opponents, when he takedowns them down at will. Even when Franca managed to get up on several occasions, Sherk was relentless and took him right down. Not to mention the 2-3 slams Sherk pulled. I guess people that don't train in wrestle don't realize how damn powerful his takedowns are.

I wrestled HS.

My answer was implied. The fight is going to be similar to Hermes vs Sherk.

Hermes and BJ both have the advantage standing. They're both also great at BJJ. Sherk is hard to sub, KO, or defend takedowns against.

BJ WILL get taken down. Sherk WILL pass his guard. Sherk WON'T beat him by TKO or a sub. It's going to be the same as Hermes vs. Sherk.

 

[devante]

it will be diff, penn is much better at wrestling than sherk is at bjj; there is no way sherk takes penn down at will or controls him like he did france. If gsp/hughes have trouble getting him down and holding him down, i know sherk who will be smaller at fight time will; franca lacked the skill/power/strength to blunt sherks attack, bj has none of those probs.

if bj is in shape and ready to go to war he will stop sherk by sub, gnp or tko; the only question is wehter bj is prepared for sherks pace and tenacity and willingness to continually apply pressure.

 

[devante]

an no i don't think it will be a good bar- if all these wrestlers who are bigger, stronger and better than sherk have issues taking down penn and holding him down; how the hell is sherk gonna be more eff, except that he will chase the takedown and force the pace.

bj wrestling is alot closer to sherks, than sherks bjj is to penns

 

[juanlawnmower]

And I meant to put it in, but good Wrestling can neutralize good BJJ.

 

[Cracky]

If I were BJ, I would stay on my feet unless I could be assured of a dominant position for 2 reasons
1) Sherk absolutely toyed with Hermes who is a very good BJJ guy.
2) BJ is an excellent striker that can use the fear of his own ground game to his advantage while on his feeet.

 

[endlessscott]

BJ's skill on the ground is amazing, though. Hermes was no slouch, obviously, but BJ is on a different level (I sound like Joe Rogan here...). If Sherk gains mount on BJ but doesn't go for the finish, I could see BJ slapping on some subs from the bottom, or possbily sweeping or reversing position.

Here's a question: If Sherk takes BJ down but BJ works him from the bottom and is the more active fighter in trying to end the fight, who wins the decision?

 

[-Montanha-]

How come people can only remember the last fight that happened.


Hughes crushed Sherk, Hughes couldnt take BJ down while standing on one leg.

GSP man-handled Sherk badly! and didnt do it to BJ?

Sherk couldnt take Nick down.


BJ gettin to Sherks back and choking him? No problem! No brainer!

 

[Cracky]

good question..

 

[codemonkey76]

is everyone forgetting the fight where hughes took BJ down and pinned him in his classic side control position with both arms tied up and pounded on BJ's head?, is sherk a better or worse wrestler than BJ? serious q, i would like to know?

 

[juanlawnmower]

is sherk a better or worse wrestler than BJ? serious q, i would like to know?

I really, truly hope you aren't serious.

 

[Cracky]

Well to be fair, Hughes is much bigger than Sherk and Penn got his rib broken which is one of the most painful things imaginable.

I think GSP showed the way to beat Sherk. BJ held his own on his feet with GSP and I think he'll hold the same advantage over Sherk

 

[Gavin LeFever]

This will be the best test for BJ's new cardio. BJ could fatigue for just get plain frustrated by Sherk's style, or BJ could be the grappling wizard that he is and pull a sub or even a KO.



Oh, and wrestling vs BJJ is as dumb as basketball vs baseball.

 

[Gungnir]

Sherk mostly uses wrestling but he also had sub defense. Wrestlers may lose to BJJ normally if they have no sub defense, but Sherk's is awesome. His strength and technique in wrestling AND sub defense could nullify Penn's mostly bjj, some wrestling.