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Let's pick the Week 145 Movie!


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Honestly I didn't bother with Blue is the Warmest it for a couple of years
I first heard about it right after it won the golden palm and I was intrigued by the decision to give the award to the two women as well as the director. Very unprecedented, but not a wrong decision IMO.
I didn't actually bother with Yi Yi until recently either, the trailer makes it look like a cheesey Hong Kong drama where as its more akin to something like Uzak or Lost in Translation.
I've had A Brighter Summer Day from this same director Edward Yang on my watch list for a while, but at four hours it's difficult to pull the trigger. I didn't realize he died in 2007 and that Yi Yi is his last film.
And yes, @chickenluver, even with that one scene and several others. Blue is the Warmest Colour did absolutely not need to be three hours long, it was exhausting for me. Sure it was powerful and heartfelt and all that, but I sure looked at my watch a lot when I watched this the first time.
I actually felt it was very well paced and I didn't feel the run-time that much.
I almost went with Uzak as one of the choices where almost nothing happens and that actually has a scene where a character is watching Stalker when his unwanted guest cousin is in the room, switches to porn when he goes to bed then switches back when he wakes up. ;)
That's hilarious. Ceylan is another as yet unexplored director for me.
From anywhere in particular? I loved her in Allied. Can't think of anything else.
I've just yet to see her in a movie where she wasn't great, so I have no reason to think that she's not great in Two Days, One Night.
I was disappointed in her performance in Macbeth. It wasn't bad, but I was expecting / hoping for excellence. Some of what I didn't like about her was related to directorial decisions. She was hardly the worst, the performances in that movie were kind of all over the place.
 
Solonitsyn
That guy has a really intense face. Apparently the sound designer that worked on Stalker thinks that Tarkovsky, Tarkovsky's wife, and Solonitsyn all died from the same type of lung cancer due to exposure to toxic chemicals while filming the movie? Wonder if there's any truth to that.
Probably the last time I was really wowed by modern FX was Jacksons Lord of the Rings films, that felt like the point at which CGI stopped being an Emmerichian "explosion of the year" and was pushed more towards something of character and drama. The dust storm in Fury Road would probably be the most iimpactful CGI sceen I'v seen since then.
The apes from the Planet of the Apes series looked quite good to me as did Thanos in Infinity War, although perhaps not that much more impressive than anything in Lord of the Rings considering the time passed.
I remember reading Exarchopoulos claiming she was cast by Kechiche in Blue is the Warmest Colour for her mouth.
She never seems to close the thing. It gives her a look of almost constant wonderment. I can see why Kechiche would cast based on that.
 
this ends up pissing you off the way that my liking the Sylvester Stallone Get Carter remake better than the Michael Caine original pisses europe off, then allow me to apologize now, but I much prefer Mel Gibson's Payback to Lee Marvin's Point Blank. To add salt to the wound: While I prefer the remake of Get Carter, I still really like the original; however, I not only prefer Payback, I don't really even like Point Blank. At least, I didn't the last time I watched it, which was probably close to if not over a decade ago (the first time I watched it was actually in film school during a course called "Films of the 1960s" and while I thought that it'd be one of the surefire awesome movies on the screening list I was super bummed when I ended up disliking it).
I have the same thing with Point Blank. I expected to love it but ended up hating it. For me it’s because of the post-modern trick of the script that seems a bit lame: The movie is based on a pulp classic about a badass guy Parker who goes to claim what’s rightfully his, but in the script the world is kind of topsy-turvy in a way, that makes someone Parker to lose his ability to work in it and he ends up looking like a fool. It’s been done before. Godard’s Aplhaville is another example which I don’t like at all where as 1970 Performance is pretty damn good, because it gets the mindfuck done without ”cheating” by making the world a post-modern surreal mess.
 
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I first heard about it right after it won the golden palm and I was intrigued by the decision to give the award to the two women as well as the director. Very unprecedented, but not a wrong decision IMO.

It was actually Spielberg being the Cann chair that year who suggested it I believe, I can kind of see it both ways as yeah the actresses were obviously a massive part of the films success including a lot of improvisation but also that Kechiche might take it as a bit of a slap in the face considering its never happened before. That was I suspect part of the reason for the tension with Seydoux especially, well that and perhaps the view the film takes of her character with Adele obviously reflecting the directors background more although I think a lot of its strength is in does that without demonising the former or making the later a saint as happened too often.

Again in retrospect I think beyond daring to show graphic sex as actually healthy and enjoyable rather than some form of abuse or mental dysfunction a lot of the reason for the negative coverage is due to that, Normally you'd expect that kind of film to be the story of the closeted working class character being "saved" from bigots and elevated by the modern liberal individualistic character, I mean theres some of that but also ultimately a very critical eye of the potential elitist nature of that culture including the very kind of people who would be reviewing and commenting on it. That to me makes it vastly more interesting than just another worthy liberal drama simply reaffirming viewpoints most of the audience likely have already.
I've had A Brighter Summer Day from this same director Edward Yang on my watch list for a while, but at four hours it's difficult to pull the trigger. I didn't realize he died in 2007 and that Yi Yi is his last film.

Yeah so have I although I'v not pulled the trigger yet more because I'm cheap and the Criterion Bluray is £18 and I'm hoping for a sale, I spose you get your moneys worth at four hours. Yi Yi is still actually the only Taiwanese new wave I'v seen and I get the impression it wasn't just the end of Yang's career but a bit of a cap on the whole movement. The influence does seem pretty strong on cinema since though, I remember one of the main things I thought watching Yi Yi was "ah so this is what Coppola was watching when she made Lost in Translation".

One thing I always disagree with back when Lost in Translation was released was that it was focused on the characters being alienated by the location. I think quite the reverse as in Yi Yi its showing a modern Asian city of hotels, towerblocks, franchise cafe's, etc as being a lot more personal and human than we normally see and this having a positive effect on previous alienated characters.

I can definitely see why Yang's film is held in such high regard, it does feel like he's showing so many strengths in terms of writing, visuals, etc without making the film feel at all "showy", not that I'v anything against that in itself as a lot of my favourite films are very showy but it did definitely feel like something a non cinephine would potentially enjoy and indeed a standard a lot of adult drama should try to meet,
I actually felt it was very well paced and I didn't feel the run-time that much.

Again I think its moreso the style of the film than it having some sprawling narrative, you have several scenes that I'd guess are pushing 10 mins. Story wise I think its petty tightly focused on Adele's character.
That's hilarious. Ceylan is another as yet unexplored director for me.

I think if you like Tarkovsky Uzak is definitely a good place to start, men wandering around a snowy Istanbul in an ennui like state,

I admit watching that film was almost a bit too close up home, the lead character is a shall we say rather withdrawn landscape photographer, enjoys watching Stalker repeatedly and I was even putting up a friend who'd lost his sub rental at the time I watched it, not commenting on any further similarity.;)
That guy has a really intense face. Apparently the sound designer that worked on Stalker thinks that Tarkovsky, Tarkovsky's wife, and Solonitsyn all died from the same type of lung cancer due to exposure to toxic chemicals while filming the movie? Wonder if there's any truth to that.

The claim was I believe there was a paper mill up stream(the foamy river in that wide shot just before the "meat mincer" tunnel) putting out toxic pollution rather than the actual sets(its mostly filmed in a disused hydro power plant and salt warehouses I believe) being dangerous. Tarkovsky was supposed to be planning on casting him in both Nostalgia and The Sacrifice before he died, Earland Johnsen certainly wasn't bad in the latter especially but I suspect they films might have been more effective had he lived to be in them, not to rubbish them but whilst excellent by most directors standards I don't think they quite reach the standard of Tarkovskys soviet releases.
The apes from the Planet of the Apes series looked quite good to me as did Thanos in Infinity War, although perhaps not that much more impressive than anything in Lord of the Rings considering the time passed.

Indeed, not that CGI characters haven't impressed post Gollum but he was clearly a big leap forward in the technology being used effectively relative to say "he who shall not be named" from the starwars prequels.
She never seems to close the thing. It gives her a look of almost constant wonderment. I can see why Kechiche would cast based on that.

His films(even moreso Secret of the Grain) certainly break with the cliché of actors never eating on camera as well and really if your going to spend over half a three hour film in closeup of someone they better have a very expressive face.

Very spoilish clip even in the name so I'v hidden it but a 19-20 year old giving a performance like that almost on debut is pretty amazing, moreso than the sex almost makes me feel a bit guilty for watching it in how pained it looks.

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It was actually Spielberg being the Cann chair that year who suggested it I believe, I can kind of see it both ways as yeah the actresses were obviously a massive part of the films success including a lot of improvisation but also that Kechiche might take it as a bit of a slap in the face considering its never happened before. That was I suspect part of the reason for the tension with Seydoux especially
I hadn't thought about that, but yeah I'm certain Kechiche took is as something of a slight. Of course it raises the question of why is this film deserving of such a unique honor? (I guess the unique honor belongs to the ladies)
One thing I always disagree with back when Lost in Translation was released was that it was focused on the characters being alienated by the location. I think quite the reverse as in Yi Yi its showing a modern Asian city of hotels, towerblocks, franchise cafe's, etc as being a lot more personal and human than we normally see and this having a positive effect on previous alienated characters.
Yeah I got the impression that Scarlett was alienated due to her deteriorating marriage, basically wondering what am I doing here and now with this man, while Murray is in that mid-career slump territory. If anything once they start spending time together the environment energizes them further.
I think if you like Tarkovsky Uzak is definitely a good place to start, men wandering around a snowy Istanbul in an ennui like state
I like Ceylan a lot just from looking at his submissions to Sight and Sound's greatest films poll. Looks like he listed two films each from his five favorite directors, namely Ozu, Bergman, Tarkovsky, Bresson, and Antonioni. Late Spring and Tokyo Story could make my own top ten list. I actually have yet to see any Antonioni, for some reason I've been resistant.
I admit watching that film was almost a bit too close up home, the lead character is a shall we say rather withdrawn landscape photographer, enjoys watching Stalker repeatedly and I was even putting up a friend who'd lost his sub rental at the time I watched it, not commenting on any further similarity.;)
I'll just assume it's 100% true to life.
Tarkovsky was supposed to be planning on casting him in both Nostalgia and The Sacrifice before he died, Earland Johnsen certainly wasn't bad in the latter especially but I suspect they films might have been more effective had he lived to be in them, not to rubbish them but whilst excellent by most directors standards I don't think they quite reach the standard of Tarkovskys soviet releases.
Nostalghia kind of went over my head although the ending was beautiful. The Sacrifice I think paradoxically is strengthened and yet ultimately suffers due to its Bergman-esque nature. Still though, certainly strong films if not reaching the heights of Andrei Rublev or Stalker.
His films(even moreso Secret of the Grain) certainly break with the cliché of actors never eating on camera as well and really if your going to spend over half a three hour film in closeup of someone they better have a very expressive face.
haha I remember thinking that early scene of her eating pasta with her family could have been cut. I can't recall the conversation she has with her parents during that scene, but I seem to remember that it was something that informed their relationship a bit.
Very spoilish clip even in the name so I'v hidden it but a 19-20 year old giving a performance like that almost on debut is pretty amazing, moreso than the sex almost makes me feel a bit guilty for watching it in how pained it looks.

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I've really got to watch this movie again. I'm generally not much of a re-watcher, but I often find that re-watches facilitate lasting impressions to a greater degree than first watches.
 
I hadn't thought about that, but yeah I'm certain Kechiche took is as something of a slight. Of course it raises the question of why is this film deserving of such a unique honor? (I guess the unique honor belongs to the ladies)

To be fair though I'm sure its far from the first Cann winner to focus strongly on central performances, I suspect it was a bit of a tactic to try and defuse any negative reaction to picking it. Kechiche does have a habit of getting excellent performances from young actors/actresses as well(Hafsia Herzi in Secret of the Grain/Couscous for example was making her film debut) plus I would argue the cinematography is also a big part of its success, only just noticed that the same guy did that and Timbuktu(Sofian El Fani) which got a lot of praise for the visuals.
Yeah I got the impression that Scarlett was alienated due to her deteriorating marriage, basically wondering what am I doing here and now with this man, while Murray is in that mid-career slump territory. If anything once they start spending time together the environment energizes them further.

If anything I think it partly becomes the story of isolated people who normally don't take much interest in their environment doing so because its something new. Again I think Translation draws quite heavily from Yi Yi when it comes to bringing out that kind of organic atmosphere of a modern city, Scarlett sitting in widows with city lights reflected in them especially.
I like Ceylan a lot just from looking at his submissions to Sight and Sound's greatest films poll. Looks like he listed two films each from his five favorite directors, namely Ozu, Bergman, Tarkovsky, Bresson, and Antonioni. Late Spring and Tokyo Story could make my own top ten list. I actually have yet to see any Antonioni, for some reason I've been resistant.

I'v not seen masses by him but L'Avventura is an obvious one to start with, basically a mix between more typical new wave realism and Tarkovsky/Bergman style atmospheric ennui, Godard's Contempt isn't a million miles away but this is rather slower and less meta.
Nostalghia kind of went over my head although the ending was beautiful. The Sacrifice I think paradoxically is strengthened and yet ultimately suffers due to its Bergman-esque nature. Still though, certainly strong films if not reaching the heights of Andrei Rublev or Stalker.

In a way I felt they ended up somewhat opposites in their strengths of weaknesses, Nostalgia is I think close to the level of his best work visually but maybe lacks a bit of focus(I'd agree parts I'm not sure I fully understood although the central character was easier to get) whilst The Sacrfice has more focus but I didn't feel the Swedish island had enough visual interest to it, its only when it gets to the nigh ttime scene that his strength of having the atmosphere drive the drama really takes off for me.
haha I remember thinking that early scene of her eating pasta with her family could have been cut. I can't recall the conversation she has with her parents during that scene, but I seem to remember that it was something that informed their relationship a bit.

I'm guessing theres about half a dozen scenes of people eating(and even more in Couscous), I would say that you really see the difference in the two "meet the parents" scenes, Emma's family is cosmopolitan/arty and she's openly gay, Adele's family is working class more interested with making sure you can earn a living and she's not come out to her parents pretending Emma's just a friend. I think a lot of the films success really is that it introduces a lot of the issues the characters face in the second half more subtly during the first half so they don't seem to be plucked out of thin air as is often the case.

If anything I think the film ends up as the reverse of a lot of more sexually graphic cinema, typically we tend to see sex used as the marker for some kind of dysfunction in peoples lives(I think perhaps a marker that a lot of liberal media is still rather more puritanical than it lets on) but here the reverse is true that the more intimate side of the relationship(intercut between those scenes) is the healthy one and its the wider issues of class that cause the problems.
I've really got to watch this movie again. I'm generally not much of a re-watcher, but I often find that re-watches facilitate lasting impressions to a greater degree than first watches.

Depends a lot on the film in question of course, there are plenty of plot heavy thrillers I'v enjoyed well enough that I'v not much desire to watch again but besides entertainment blockbusters(god knows how many times I'v watched Raiders of the Lost Ark or Big Trouble In Little China) I do end up rewatching a lot of either character focused more slower atmospheric cinema I enjoy, part of the reason I don't watch quite as much new stuff as I would like
 
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