Shannon Briggs Tried K-1?

[MC Paul Barman]

Yes he did "beat" Koaklai. He was losing the fight untill he put a fore-arm in Koaklai his throat and he followed it up with a big left hand to score a down in the clsing seconds of the last round ...
Good for Botha ... too bad for Koaklai.

YouTube - Kaoklai vs Francois Botha part 1/2

YouTube - Kaoklai vs Francois Botha part 2/2

Pfft...
the punch dropped him. That stuff happens all the time. Are you sincerely saying you've never seen a fighter try to get distance in a clinch by trying to shove the other guy off?
Also, it's beat, not "beat". Go qualify your illusion of what happened in the fight else where.
Reports I've read said that Botha was doing very well up until then. And the clips show him landing big shots too.

Wonder if sparkles also qualifies Remy's win over Botha with a "beat". Or does she/he just selectively pick which one's to be skeptical of.

 

[sparkles]

Remy was losing until he scored a legit down.
In K-1, when you suffer a knockdown, it's hard to make it up on the scorecards as it's only 3 rounds.

 

[MC Paul Barman]

Remy was losing until he scored a legit down.
In K-1, when you suffer a knockdown, it's hard to make it up on the scorecards as it's only 3 rounds.

LOL.
You're funny.

So it's a legit knockdown when it's a guy you want to win?
Because that junk about forearm, punch, knockdown was unconvincing.
If there's a clinch, and one fighters trying to break a clinch he has every right in the rules of the sport to still throw a punch.

 

[Dragonstyle915]

I just think Boxers are great at what they do. The other night we were watching UFC and while bored during the Ortiz vs. Machida fight (Proof that all Combat sports get boring matches) my cousin Oscar and brother Robert were arguing over MMA and Boxing. Cousin Oscar loves boxing, my brother is a new UFC fan.

My brother kept saying "UFC fighters are tougher than boxers". And Oscar replied, "You can take a boxer in the Octagon, with no MMA training and he will always have a chance of knocking the UFC guy out. Sure, 9 of 10 times the Boxer may be brought down and subbed but but you can take a UFC fighter in a Boxing ring and they wouldnt be able to compete with a top boxer- Evn with the Boxing training they do."

It hit me. And while they were both very ignorant in their own right I kind of agree with my cousin more so than my brother.

 

[Dragonstyle915]

You know. I honestly think a Boxer has a better chance of beating a Kickboxer in an MMA match than in a Kickboxing match. I have reasons to think that way but id rather hear thoughts lol

 

[uppercuts21]

I just think Boxers are great at what they do. The other night we were watching UFC and while bored during the Ortiz vs. Machida fight (Proof that all Combat sports get boring matches) my cousin Oscar and brother Robert were arguing over MMA and Boxing. Cousin Oscar loves boxing, my brother is a new UFC fan.

My brother kept saying "UFC fighters are tougher than boxers". And Oscar replied, "You can take a boxer in the Octagon, with no MMA training and he will always have a chance of knocking the UFC guy out. Sure, 9 of 10 times the Boxer may be brought down and subbed but but you can take a UFC fighter in a Boxing ring and they wouldnt be able to compete with a top boxer- Evn with the Boxing training they do."

It hit me. And while they were both very ignorant in their own right I kind of agree with my cousin more so than my brother.

When watching the Machida/Ortiz fight I was thinking how much a boxer would have gotten to Machida. Ortiz was just way too slow to do any damage to Machida. Machida made Ortiz look like he had never fought in his life. Obviously Machida is a very good fighter but I think a real good MMA boxer at 205 can give Machida alot of problems.

Than watching the Penn/Sherk fight I was thinking man Sherk could use a bigtime boxing coach. Than I just imagined a guy like Kelly Pavlik whos around the same weight (160) as Sherk/Penn just destroying these guys if he was in there.:icon_chee

But obviously They'd do everything in their power to take the boxer but regardless its good to see the importance of boxing skills because it certainly was the primary discipline in UFC 84. Most of the fights on the main card if not all of them took place on the feet.

 

[Dragonstyle915]

When watching the Machida/Ortiz fight I was thinking how much a boxer would have gotten to Machida. Ortiz was just way too slow to do any damage to Machida. Machida made Ortiz look like he had never fought in his life. Obviously Machida is a very good fighter but I think a real good MMA boxer at 205 can give Machida alot of problems.

Than watching the Penn/Sherk fight I was thinking man Sherk could use a bigtime boxing coach. Than I just imagined a guy like Kelly Pavlik whos around the same weight (160) as Sherk/Penn just destroying these guys if he was in there.:icon_chee

But obviously They'd do everything in their power to take the boxer but regardless its good to see the importance of boxing skills because it certainly was the primary discipline in UFC 84. Most of the fights on the main card if not all of them took place on the feet.

You know it did seem like BJ gave Sherk a Boxing lesson. Not that it was that hard to do. Sherk looked like a T-Rex trying to punch back. Sherk made BJ look like Pretty Boy Floyd (exaggeration). Sherk does not have the body to be a Boxer at all while BJ sort of does.

 

[Arg]

Because he fought Tom Erikson in K-1 who's neither a boxer or kickboxer.

If anything bring up Botha beating Aerts and JLB and giving Bonjasky everything he could handle under K-1 rules.

Spreading rumours without any knowledge seems to be popular these days. Botha did neither beat Aerts nor JLB. Both of them injured themselves during the fight.

It would have been very surprising indeed if Botha actually would have defeated them because he lost against "Cans" far below their level.

Below are Botha's fights in K-1 between 2003 and 2006 that I know off:


20-05-2006 Jorgen Kruth L 3R Decision 3-0 K-1 K-1 Scandinavia Grand Prix 2006 in Stockholm
05-03-2006 Ray Sefo L 3R Decision 3-0 (30-27, 30-27, 30-28) K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2006 in Auckland
23-09-2005 Musashi L 3R Decision 0-3 (30-29, 30-27, 30-29) K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2005 in Osaka
13-08-2005 Mighty Mo L 1R 1:20 TKO (Referee Stoppage, 3 Knockdowns) K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2005 in Las Vegas II
04-12-2004 Remy Bonjasky L 3R Decision 0-3 (25.5-27.5, 27.5-28.5, 27.5-28.5) K-1 K-1 WORLD GRAND PRIX 2004 FINAL
04-12-2004 Peter Aerts W 1R 1:13 KO (Leg Injury) K-1 K-1 WORLD GRAND PRIX 2004 FINAL
25-09-2004 Jerome Le Banner W 3R Decision 0-1 (29-29, 28-29, 28-28)
-> Ext.R (Le Banners Corner throws in the towel)
-> 3R 3:00 TKO (Corner Stoppage) K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2004 in Tokyo
06-06-2004 Remy Bonjasky L 3R Decision 3-0 K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2004 in Nagoya
27-03-2004 Aziz Khattou L 3R Decision 0-2 K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2004 in Saitama
31-12-2003 Yusuke Fujimoto L 3R Decision 0-3 K-1 K-1 PREMIUM 2003 Dynamite!!
06-12-2003 Cyril Abidi L 3R Decision 3-0 K-1 K-1 WORLD GRAND PRIX 2003 FINAL
11-10-2003 Cyril Abidi L 1R Foul K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2003 in Osaka


That's 2 wins out of 12 fights and both wins were due to injury of the opponent. That can hardly be called a succesfull career.

Maybe you should talk about the whole picture and not only post those tiny tidbits that support your own argument.

 

[sparkles]

LOL.
You're funny.

So it's a legit knockdown when it's a guy you want to win?
Because that junk about forearm, punch, knockdown was unconvincing.
If there's a clinch, and one fighters trying to break a clinch he has every right in the rules of the sport to still throw a punch.

Who said that I supported Bonjasky in that fight? Bonjasky just secured the win with a highkick resulting in a down. Botha put his fore-arm in Koaklai his throat (which is illegal ) and that allowed him to land a big left resulting in a down... and that's just an objective observation ...

 

[sparkles]

Spreading rumours without any knowledge seems to be popular these days. Botha did neither beat Aerts nor JLB. Both of them injured themselves during the fight.

It would have been very surprising indeed if Botha actually would have defeated them because he lost against "Cans" far below their level.

Below are Botha's fights in K-1 between 2003 and 2006 that I know off:


20-05-2006 Jorgen Kruth L 3R Decision 3-0 K-1 K-1 Scandinavia Grand Prix 2006 in Stockholm
05-03-2006 Ray Sefo L 3R Decision 3-0 (30-27, 30-27, 30-28) K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2006 in Auckland
23-09-2005 Musashi L 3R Decision 0-3 (30-29, 30-27, 30-29) K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2005 in Osaka
13-08-2005 Mighty Mo L 1R 1:20 TKO (Referee Stoppage, 3 Knockdowns) K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2005 in Las Vegas II
04-12-2004 Remy Bonjasky L 3R Decision 0-3 (25.5-27.5, 27.5-28.5, 27.5-28.5) K-1 K-1 WORLD GRAND PRIX 2004 FINAL
04-12-2004 Peter Aerts W 1R 1:13 KO (Leg Injury) K-1 K-1 WORLD GRAND PRIX 2004 FINAL
25-09-2004 Jerome Le Banner W 3R Decision 0-1 (29-29, 28-29, 28-28)
-> Ext.R (Le Banners Corner throws in the towel)
-> 3R 3:00 TKO (Corner Stoppage) K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2004 in Tokyo
06-06-2004 Remy Bonjasky L 3R Decision 3-0 K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2004 in Nagoya
27-03-2004 Aziz Khattou L 3R Decision 0-2 K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2004 in Saitama
31-12-2003 Yusuke Fujimoto L 3R Decision 0-3 K-1 K-1 PREMIUM 2003 Dynamite!!
06-12-2003 Cyril Abidi L 3R Decision 3-0 K-1 K-1 WORLD GRAND PRIX 2003 FINAL
11-10-2003 Cyril Abidi L 1R Foul K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2003 in Osaka


That's 2 wins out of 12 fights and both wins were due to injury of the opponent. That can hardly be called a succesfull career.

Maybe you should talk about the whole picture and not only post those tiny tidbits that support your own argument.

Nice reply. What you say is true, but it has to be said that most of his early fights were really close.

 

[uppercuts21]

Spreading rumours without any knowledge seems to be popular these days. Botha did neither beat Aerts nor JLB. Both of them injured themselves during the fight.

It would have been very surprising indeed if Botha actually would have defeated them because he lost against "Cans" far below their level.

Below are Botha's fights in K-1 between 2003 and 2006 that I know off:


20-05-2006 Jorgen Kruth L 3R Decision 3-0 K-1 K-1 Scandinavia Grand Prix 2006 in Stockholm
05-03-2006 Ray Sefo L 3R Decision 3-0 (30-27, 30-27, 30-28) K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2006 in Auckland
23-09-2005 Musashi L 3R Decision 0-3 (30-29, 30-27, 30-29) K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2005 in Osaka
13-08-2005 Mighty Mo L 1R 1:20 TKO (Referee Stoppage, 3 Knockdowns) K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2005 in Las Vegas II
04-12-2004 Remy Bonjasky L 3R Decision 0-3 (25.5-27.5, 27.5-28.5, 27.5-28.5) K-1 K-1 WORLD GRAND PRIX 2004 FINAL
04-12-2004 Peter Aerts W 1R 1:13 KO (Leg Injury) K-1 K-1 WORLD GRAND PRIX 2004 FINAL
25-09-2004 Jerome Le Banner W 3R Decision 0-1 (29-29, 28-29, 28-28)
-> Ext.R (Le Banners Corner throws in the towel)
-> 3R 3:00 TKO (Corner Stoppage) K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2004 in Tokyo
06-06-2004 Remy Bonjasky L 3R Decision 3-0 K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2004 in Nagoya
27-03-2004 Aziz Khattou L 3R Decision 0-2 K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2004 in Saitama
31-12-2003 Yusuke Fujimoto L 3R Decision 0-3 K-1 K-1 PREMIUM 2003 Dynamite!!
06-12-2003 Cyril Abidi L 3R Decision 3-0 K-1 K-1 WORLD GRAND PRIX 2003 FINAL
11-10-2003 Cyril Abidi L 1R Foul K-1 K-1 World Grand Prix 2003 in Osaka


That's 2 wins out of 12 fights and both wins were due to injury of the opponent. That can hardly be called a succesfull career.

Maybe you should talk about the whole picture and not only post those tiny tidbits that support your own argument.

Good point but some of those fights were close and considering Botha's age and wear and tear on his body id say its pretty damn impressive that he was able to compete with the worlds best in kickboxing. Botha never beat a top 10 boxer either.

 

[sparkles]

Good point but some of those fights were close and considering Botha's age and wear and tear on his body id say its pretty damn impressive that he was able to compete with the worlds best in kickboxing. Botha never beat a top 10 boxer either.

Botha had a good time in there. He enjoyed it;

YouTube - Ray Sefo vs Francois Botha entrance

What amazed me the most about Botha is that he seems to have an incredibly strong body and he's one of the very few who is able to take lowkick after lowkick without going down. That's very impressive. In the beginning he had some problems with the 3x3 rounds as he was used to take his time in boxing 10x3 or 12x3. He's at his best when he faces a fighter who comes at him like Le Banner, then he can counter and play his tactical game.
He landed a great, very hard and well timed countering bomb on Le Banner his face.

 

[silversurfer91]

is K-1 even in business anymore?

 

[Yawyan]

Anyone ever heard of Daniel Dawson? He is a good kickboxer from Australia who also fights in boxing. I think he already fought in K-1. He has a 29-1 record in boxing but most of his wins came from very limited opposition. He lone loss was against a young talented prospect last December who had less boxing fights but he just dominated and kicked Dawson's ass for 12 rounds.

 

[MC Paul Barman]

Who said that I supported Bonjasky in that fight? Bonjasky just secured the win with a highkick resulting in a down. Botha put his fore-arm in Koaklai his throat (which is illegal ) and that allowed him to land a big left resulting in a down... and that's just an objective observation ...

Simple question:
Is a fighter not allowed to actively try to break a clinch?

 

[sparkles]

Anyone ever heard of Daniel Dawson? He is a good kickboxer from Australia who also fights in boxing. I think he already fought in K-1. He has a 29-1 record in boxing but most of his wins came from very limited opposition. He lone loss was against a young talented prospect last December who had less boxing fights but he just dominated and kicked Dawson's ass for 12 rounds.

Alexander Ustinov also became a pro boxer; he's doing pretty well. I'll be watching him closely to to check how far he can go ...