Shamrock talks Dana: He knows sh*t

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  1. The Eye

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    Interesting read:

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/9/27/4777196/ken-shamrock-on-bamma-fallout-beef-with-dana-white-ufc

    Talks about Dana owing him money.

    He also says this, which to be honest I sort of agree with:

    Stephan Bonnar and Forrest Griffin did a lot for the UFC because they were in people's homes. People thought it was such a great fight. I don't agree with that. I think it was an entertaining fight. A great fight would be head movement, counter punches, all those things. They stood in front of each other and did rock em sock em robots with hardly any skill at all, but that's okay, because it was entertaining. Let's call it what it was.


    While I love MMA I do feel that a large portion of fans like the type of fights that resembles a bar fight. Sort of how Leonard Garcia gets love for his "brawls"...
     
  2. TFanatic

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    Great fights like Ken vs Severn 2?
     
  3. The Real Pedro

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    P4P worst fight ever. Ken vs Royce 2 is also top 5 worst all time imo.
     
  4. Fujita

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    Agreed.
     
  5. Fujita

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    First fight was.
     
  6. tappedtostrikes**

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    He's right. Forrest vs Bonnar was a pathetic display of fighting, neither of them have any power whatsoever (especially for being 230 lbs) and some of the worst technique ever. It was sloppy bar brawl between 2 guys that can't throw a punch to save their lives.
     
  7. DarthChen731

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    Yeah, head movement, counter punches... all the kind of stuff that you're so famous for, right Ken?

    Ken basically just sounds bitter about everything all the time these days.
     
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    Shammy >>>>> Dana
     
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    You know Ken has been on a role lately. Ive always had a lot of respect for him. I was watching the original UFC's back in the mid '90s and I can tell you he was a very real fighter who was tough as nails. Today he is regularly disrespected by those who were still playing with power rangers when he was one of the top guys in the sport. These people dont know shit.

    Much respect Mr. Shamrock. You're a legend in this sport.
     
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    GrindingANARCHY Banned Banned

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    He's a legend that went broke and turned into a joke.
    Sad but true.
     
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    Both men deserve credit for building the sport. How much to each man doesn't really concern me.

    Verbal promise of money? That's not how people do business unfortunately. Ken should have seen that one coming.

    Bonnar v Griffen was great for what it was.
     
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    faustian THE LOOSE CANNON Platinum Member

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    All the early guys who put this sport on the map -- Shammy, Coleman, Randleman, etc -- got robbed of a lot of money imo
     
  14. RawDawgBob

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    Ken is right. He was a huge..if not the main draw in the early UFC days. Also, his first fight with Tito was huge. I was there for that fight, it definatly gave the UFC a huge boost.
     
  15. Torrid

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    For some reason I was thinking Frank the whole time, then looked at the title again.

    Shammy's problem? He was pretty much on the tail end of his prime by the time the UFC rolled around. The fact that he's still fighting is pretty incredible, if it wasn't for him pulling out and stealing money consistently.
     
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    i've been saying for ever that it wasn't forest vs bonner that made zuffa's ufc work, they would have already been out of business well before that. it was shamrock vs ortiz. that is what first made a profit and it was done off of shamrock's name far more than tito, though tito was the perfect guy for the rivalry.

    i've also been saying that people claiming tito ducked chuck to fight shamrock, like dana white claims, don't realize it was dana and zuffa who wanted tito to make that fight. they knew that was where the money was.

    dana white and zuffa have been trying to change history for some time, but for those of us who remember, they can't change that shit.
     
  17. Godzilla3232

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    He's right. Don't get me wrong, it was a very entertaining fight that happened at the perfect time to really help get MMA mainstream attention, but calling it one of the best fights gives the wrong impression. As the sport continues to evolve that fight probably shouldn't continue to be heralded as a great display of MMA.
     
  18. Fujita

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    Agreed, well said.
     
  19. madjiujitsuish

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    OK. Let's all remember for a brief second. Ken Shamrock was a star when MMA was nothing. He was a household name when MMA was synonymous with bar room brawls, despite his superior technique. Dana White was a boxing promoter who got lucky when the Fertitta bros went slumming. We, as MMA fans, owe EVERYTHING to guys like Ken Shamrock, Don Frye, Sakuraba, Tank Abbott, etc. Nowadays, they're an afterthought, but we must remember where we came from. MMA was in its infancy and guys like the Shamrock bros fought for the love of the game. There was no big payout in sight ever. They fought because they LOVE. TO. FIGHT. PERIOD. They didn't fight to win on points because there were no points. Every GSP fanboy owes their soul to Ken Shamrock and his compatriots. That being said, all of those guys would get whooped up on by the new breed. I'm just sayin', we should be respectful fans and give respect where respect is due. That is all. Dana White should be paying Ken Shamrock's rent. That's all I know.
     
  20. jdubb459

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    Honestly, you don't really know what you're talking about.. Ken left the WWE for the UFC for a reason. If you had an employee like that you'd fire him too. His fights sucked and he talked constant shit about the company he worked for. I'd fire him in 2 seconds.
     

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