alot of threads bash a myriad of styles and alot of the argument is if you face a guy who does this art; mt kb boxing wrestling judo bjj etc, then your gonna lose. Sure those arts are decent enough to let you survive, win or whatnot against untrained or the averagely trained guy; it won't be enough a decently trained guy, much less highly trained guy. i have made a few threads about fighting a fellow martial artist, an most people say they have never done it; hell most of the people i have known have NEVER gotten into an altercation or even come close to fighting a legitimately trained martial artist of any sort. the only person i know who has fought a guy w/a legit b/g in martial arts is myself; i have always been around people who train, in fact the large majority of people i know casually trained. Judo blkblts, amateur boxers, wrestlers, karatekas, kickboxers bjj tkd jkd tjj and so on or guys who's parents trained and though they never went to a school or gym had their parents train them for about 14yrs... so if noone w/the exception of myself, has faced a martial artist in a streetfight; then why the constant questioning of what if you run into a martial artist, i know ALOT of people and train w/alot of diff people and i can barely name a handful who had to deal w//that issue. I know you train for anything; but it seems like the chances of it happening are slim to none, when i train (for self def); i always assume the guy knows what he is doing cus 9 times out of ten the guys i got into it w/or almost got into it w/were REAL martial artist. Most people say the same; but i can't help that the lack of experiencing it is half the reason so many guys who train think they are the sh*t, cus they don't understand how many people do what they do. Hell the 21yr old cashier at cvs is a blkblkt in kenpo, tae kwon do and competed in fc karate. list of styles- kyokushin bjj judo/boxing boxing kickboxing tae kwon do offshoot of kyokushin (forgot the name) mt submission grappling jeet kune do sidenote-no i don't look for trouble and while you and the majority of martial artist are humble respectful and professional; alot of martial artist AREN'T, i.e. they are asses and go out looking for trouble.