Serious hypothetical question re: vivisection

AgentSmecker

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Here's a little moral quandary for you..

Let's say that when we first tried experimenting on animals we quickly found that they were so physiologically different from us that they were completely incompatible as models for humans and as such "our only other choice" was to use other human beings for biomedical research. But we didn't test on those of us fortunate enough to be born sound of mind since that would be profoundly unethical, we only used the mentally impaired, those among us who were so severely retarded or brain damaged that they had absolutely no sense of self or their place in the world.

In spite of some opposition the voices of dissent were shouted down. The experiments yielded great results, we made huge advancements in medical science and felt completely vindicated in doing so since it was for the greater good and the people we were experimenting on didn't even fall into the definition of personhood anyway since they are not subjectively aware. And so the practice of human vivisection is born and quickly becomes completely normalized within our society.

Skip forward to the present day and perhaps now we are even purposely breeding these virtually brain dead humans solely for the purpose of medical research but now certain individuals and groups are starting to make a lot of noise about human experimentation. A movement is forming against it, It's barbaric and inhumane they say. Nonsense the opposition say, these aren't people we are experimenting on, they are nothing more than living vegetables and what about all the benefits it has brought.

Bear in mind that the culture/society/family you are born into largely dictates your beliefs. Just as a child born into some white families in the slavery era would have grown up thinking it was normal to keep black people as slaves and beat them if they didn't meet expectations or perhaps a child in certain cultures indoctrinated with certain religions from the day they are born will believe woman are inferior to men or gays are unclean, in this hypothetical scenario I have painted, human vivisection has been established and socially acceptable for a very long time so more than likely you will believe that it is the way things are. Your brain is hardwired to accept that this is a universal truth, this is the way things have always been.

So which side are you on? Is it morally justifiable for the greater good, is it something you think you might have been questioning for a while and/or do you conclude that in spite of all the irrefutable benefits it has given us it is so morally repugnant that it should be brought to an end immediately? Or maybe you don't give a shit either way.

Remember. This is a purely hypothetical scenario for the purpose of stimulating "intelligent discussion". Keep it civil or don't bother posting.
 
If I were a murderer scheduled to be executed in our actual universe, and I had the option to be rendered brain dead and used for medical research, I would choose that.
 
I would be far less against some hypothetical braindead strain of the human race than I would retarded people.

Problem is, to engineer that race is going to result in tons of suffering.
 
I dunno if I can get my head around this scenario. So these hypothetical brain-dead humans are fair game for experimentation... But what about people who get brain injuries or get dementia with age, or otherwise end up in the state of these guinea pig humans after once being normal? Wouldn't society begin to question the difference between "us" and "them" pretty quick?

Also, I feel like there's only so much that can be learned about the functioning of the human body without a fully functional brain in the mix. Gross anatomy research is and has been done on cadavers for years (and even some early surgeons apparently used themselves as living guinea pigs).
 
I'd advocate for replacing the retards with child molesters, serial killers and violent rapists. Only those that have been proven guilty without a shadow of doubt with concrete proof. This does not include some poor bloke who went to prison after a drunken night of sex after the girl decided it was rape or some 19 year old guy who had sex with a 16 year old girl.
 
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