semi OT: Bill Cooper signs 4 fight contract with Strike Force

He's one of my favourite Bjj/Grappling fighters to watch. I really, really hope he'll make it big in MMA :).
 
Unlikely i think. His style is not geared towards high level MMA IMO.

I also think guys like him have TOO much grappling to succeed in MMA. In alot of ways like Dean Lister, Marcelo Garcia, Makoto Takimoto, Yoshida and other high level grapplers have too much grappling to learn how to adapt to the highest levels of fighting.
 
Dean Lister transitioned over to MMA and has beaten all his opponents (I think 4) by sub in the first round. He hasn't shown any striking skills but he is still doing well so far. I think Bill cooper could propbably do the same thing if he can learn takedowns and striking.
 
LoopChoke said:
Dean Lister transitioned over to MMA and has beaten all his opponents (I think 4) by sub in the first round. He hasn't shown any striking skills but he is still doing well so far. I think Bill cooper could propbably do the same thing if he can learn takedowns and striking.
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Dean Lister? So far?
 
Ryo said:
Unlikely i think. His style is not geared towards high level MMA IMO.

I also think guys like him have TOO much grappling to succeed in MMA. In alot of ways like Dean Lister, Marcelo Garcia, Makoto Takimoto, Yoshida and other high level grapplers have too much grappling to learn how to adapt to the highest levels of fighting.
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interesting. how do you feel about roger gracie, jacare or more importantly fabricio werdum?

LoopChoke said:
Dean Lister transitioned over to MMA and has beaten all his opponents (I think 4) by sub in the first round. He hasn't shown any striking skills but he is still doing well so far. I think Bill cooper could propbably do the same thing if he can learn takedowns and striking.
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here, try this.
Dean "The Boogeyman" Lister MMA Stats, Pictures, News, Videos, Biography - Sherdog.com
 
Mad Sweeps said:
interesting. how do you feel about roger gracie, jacare or more importantly fabricio werdum?
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I dont think any of them will ever be well rounded enough to be the best. And no, i dont consider Werdums triangle on Fedor to make him the best.
 
nobody said anything about being the best, just one person said he hopes he makes it big. you said not likely. you stated he would be like the others that have "too much" grappling in them. Roger has a long way to go, but he is doing fine. Jacare has a belt or something right? Werdum, despite his embarrassing performance against the reem, has had a pretty impressive showing...
 
Dude, none of those guys have fought in the big league and you know it. Thats whats generally meant by making it big.

Werdum fought in the big leagues and got sent packing. Not that he isnt good, but he cant beat the best.

Jacare has a belt, but it doesnt mean much. Hector Lombard has one as well....

Until he fights in the UFC, it doesnt mean much. Thats pretty much what its came down too these days.

Roger Gracie has not fought anybody that would be considered real competition. Get real.
 
your argument is weak. I will accept your written submission.
 
Ryo said:
Unlikely i think. His style is not geared towards high level MMA IMO.

I also think guys like him have TOO much grappling to succeed in MMA. In alot of ways like Dean Lister, Marcelo Garcia, Makoto Takimoto, Yoshida and other high level grapplers have too much grappling to learn how to adapt to the highest levels of fighting.
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You can never be "too good" at a major fighting component, but you can become close-minded to learning necessary skills.

The 3 core components of MMA are striking, wrestling/takedowns, and BJJ/submission-grappling. Most wrestlers intensively study striking and BJJ to complement their already excellent takedowns and top control/scrambling. But not all BJJ guys do the same, taking more the old-school mindset of your skill in your area compensating for the weaknesses (sometimes learning some striking but not much wrestling) - and that is bad for MMA. Some strikers did the same in the past, learning BJJ but not wrestling.

I think that's changing though. Most fighters train striking, wrestling and BJJ intensively at this point. You can never have too much ability in something but you have to be able to adapt.
 
LoopChoke said:
Dean Lister transitioned over to MMA and has beaten all his opponents (I think 4) by sub in the first round. He hasn't shown any striking skills but he is still doing well so far. I think Bill cooper could propbably do the same thing if he can learn takedowns and striking.
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So everybody else has already bashed you on your obvious lack of knowledge about Dean, so I'll focus on something else...

You seriously think Bill doesn't know takedowns? He has to "learn" them? Sheesh.

BeeTeeGee for the win baby!!!
 
Ryo said:
Unlikely i think. His style is not geared towards high level MMA IMO.

I also think guys like him have TOO much grappling to succeed in MMA. In alot of ways like Dean Lister, Marcelo Garcia, Makoto Takimoto, Yoshida and other high level grapplers have too much grappling to learn how to adapt to the highest levels of fighting.
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so are we going to ignore demian maia? or is he still in the minor leagues or was he not a high level bjj guy before entering mma?
 
Sandor OG said:
so are we going to ignore demian maia? or is he still in the minor leagues or was he not a high level bjj guy before entering mma?
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wow, I feel like an asshole for not mentioning Damien. fuck.
 
LoopChoke said:
Dean Lister transitioned over to MMA and has beaten all his opponents (I think 4) by sub in the first round. He hasn't shown any striking skills but he is still doing well so far. I think Bill cooper could propbably do the same thing if he can learn takedowns and striking.
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You mean Robert Drysdale.
 
Hopefully he gets a legit yet easy fight. He's a great BJJ guy but he may or may not be Roger Gracie good at MMA
 
Ryo said:
Dude, none of those guys have fought in the big league and you know it. Thats whats generally meant by making it big.

Werdum fought in the big leagues and got sent packing. Not that he isnt good, but he cant beat the best.

Jacare has a belt, but it doesnt mean much. Hector Lombard has one as well....

Until he fights in the UFC, it doesnt mean much. Thats pretty much what its came down too these days.

Roger Gracie has not fought anybody that would be considered real competition. Get real.
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what a post full of hate...

Werdum fought in pride, took prime nog to a decision, he beat aleks, vera, reem, big foot... wtf are you talking about? hes lost on the UFC was to AA (probably the worst fight in history and neighter should won or lost that fight) and with JDS, who is probably the best fighter in the world now... Not to mention he beat, well...FEDOR... as far as opponents go, Werdum>Cain BY FAR... how do you know cain is the best when his biggest win is a guy who has fought 7 fights and lost 2 already, not to mention that cant take a punch... the UFC cut him because of money issues, not because he wasnt cut for the UFC...

and Marcelo Garcia? for cry out load, ppl mention him like he had 10 fights and lost all of them, dude had one fight, he was mauling the other guy, and lost by a cut, plain and simple, never fought again...


So under your logic, to be successful in MMA, its better to be a half ass grappler than a great grappler? hmmmm yeah that makes sence...

wasnt expecting this post from someone like you... sad.
 
Ryo said:
Dude, none of those guys have fought in the big league and you know it. Thats whats generally meant by making it big.

Werdum fought in the big leagues and got sent packing. Not that he isnt good, but he cant beat the best.

Jacare has a belt, but it doesnt mean much. Hector Lombard has one as well....

Until he fights in the UFC, it doesnt mean much. Thats pretty much what its came down too these days.

Roger Gracie has not fought anybody that would be considered real competition. Get real.
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Your whole perception on too much grappling for MMA is weird. I just don't see the logic in it.

I've always felt if a pure BJJ artist was gonna do MMA and be successful, his style should be takedown oriented with a very aggressive, pressure based pace. This is all going off the notion that they haven't learned how to strike effectively.

I knew Jacare would find success, he's always had excellent, aggressive takedowns with a style that he imposes on the other person. I wasn't too sure about Roger, his takedowns are all very technical, but they were also very slow paced. I know that if he manages to get the fight to the mat with any fighter he has a better than average chance to win, but everytime I see him fight I question his ability to get the fight there.

Bill has a very aggressive style, and also has very strong takedowns. They're not the best, but encompass speed and power which should get many guys down. And once there, I know his BJJ will win the match.

If he lands a takedown, I'm banking on him winning the fight for sure.
 
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