Selective criteria judging has to stop, it’s been ruining mma

Were you trying to write A Tale of Two Cities?

But yeah, I generally agree with your point. Maybe next time condense it into Cliff's version.

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When will the day come where we get a fool proof, corruptless judging system in mma ?

Yesterday we saw MM lose despite outstriking, landing more damage and stuffing many takedowns. I’m not mad at the result though funnily enough because I wanted DJ to lose, I really did...but fairly. Not like this. I honestly wanted to see DJ get ktfo, or submitted in extraordinary fashion. Instead he got wrestlefucked and not a scratch to his face. Meanwhile cejudo took many heavy blows like body kicks and punches to the face. It was clear who inficlited more damage.

When Romero lost, a similar thing happened, only it was a closer fight damage wise admittably. But still though, the fighter that dealt more damage and knocked down the other fighter multiple times while not being floored himself, lost the fight. You can argue all you want but you must recognize that it takes a special strike to temporarily short circuit someone’s brain and floor them. It’s an accurate strike with pin point precision or sometimes a lucky strike, that connects on the opponent’s weak point and as a result causes a clear reaction of pain, instability and shows a clear shift in the fight.

These are undeniable events in fights that can’t just get ignored, swept under the rug, or underestimated using some bs subjective reasoning or logic. It’s an evident result of a significant strike and yet it sometimes gets passed up and not even scored or taken into account. What the fuck is that about?! meanwhile a takedown that isn’t even secured where the opponent gets right back up, or a td without any follow up punches elbows or sub attempts, gets scored higher? Gtfo!

It’s so selective that sometimes the point fighter wins, sometimes the wrestlefucker wins, there is no consistency in the judging and they are not being held accountable for bad decisions. You got company men like Rogan who could be more verbal about it and call them out about shit like that but they usually don’t. Of course he will be the first to call out that dumbass ice bucket boy who spills ice cubes by mistake and goes into a fit of rage about it, but will act all nonchalant and silent when a fight ends as a controversial decision and the victory given to the fighter who clearly did less and doesn’t deserve it. Ok maybe Rogan isn’t the best example but in general no one really speaks out against this shit in a meaningful way and it sucks.


At the end of the day It’s a fight, the main criteria should be damage, shouldn’t it ? Since that’s the main objective,the ufc is based on fighting, its even included in its name: ultimate FIGHTING championship, and to win a fight you need to do more fighting, fighting = damage. Supposedly. They program you into believing that effective fighting that wins fights is mostly about control. It isn’t. It’s purely about damage. That is the main criteria, the end all be all. No way of refutting that.

You can misconstrue it anyway you like and say it’s sports entertainment more than a sport and get into the semantics of the purposefully vague criteria, but it isn’t as hard to judge a fight as they wanna make it seem. This is a sport but it’s still modeled after real fighting is it not ? Therefore inflicting demonstrable damage and knocking down/out your opponent should score higher than strikes that don’t and definitely higher than takedowns that aren’t followed up by anything significant, should they not?

Do we agree or not? Be honest and fair, leave your biases aside and think about it a second.

Its gotten so bad that it’s like they only take damage into account when it’s convenient for the oddsmakers which is shady as fuck. Any fight that goes to a decision nowadays has a 50% chance of getting a tampered/fixed result I feel. It depends heavily on how the odds were stacked or if there is an agenda in place to make a certain fighter win and progress in his/her career because he is marketable (or put a halt to a fighter’s career if he is an unmarketable fighter.) It’s become so obvious by now that anyone who doesn’t see is either dumb or in denial. Stop being a fanboy and protect the integrity of the sport.

The day when fanboys of their favorite fighters start being honest and raise their voices out against this clear corruption will be the day something is finally done about it.

Until then we will continue to be taken for fools, because we give this shadiness a safe haven and even enable it by parroting the words “don’t leave it to the judges”. The worse fans are those that know all this shadiness goes on but still let their sense of fanboyism dominate and not their sense of fairness ethics and integrity. We saw that happen many times here on sherdog and it’s downright sad. A society filled with people who are willing to look the other way when they see something unfair. Churchill would be proud.


Just watch closely and pay attention to what Dana typically says after these questionable decisions at post fight press conferences. They always go the same, he nervously and preemptously deflects by saying something like “I had it really close, it could’ve gone either way, but what do I know, don’t listen to me”. Isn’t it clear he is conditioning the masses into believing that the ufc has nothing to do with fixing decisions, and furthermore that nothing can be done to improve mma judging? He has repeated this almost verbatim a couple of times even.

“Don’t leave it to the judges” is basically saying to everyone, this is a fixed sport, where the rules are fucked up so don’t leave it to the rules. You just might get screwed. It’s Unacceptable and it’s dissapointing that we are in 2018 and more mma media don’t call them out on this.

At the end of the day this isn’t about our favorite fighter winning or losing that controversial decision, it should be about demanding a cleaner and legit sport, one that is transparent and free of corruption, or at least one that tries to be. They aren’t even trying!

I remember the saying
“The best way to rob a bank is by owning one” And It applies perfectly here.


I know I’ll get some rancid responses but I’m just being honest. More than they are, and I stand behind my opinion 100% because I believe that change is possible but it’ll take much more public outcry.

If you want a cleaner and more transparent sport then you would speak out on it, it’s that simple. Do the right thing.


TLDR;

You suck as a fan if you are helping enable a corrupt sport.
Jesus Christ..
Forget tldr.
That is the longest post in sherdog history..

Oh yeah I didn't read..
 
I actually don't mind human error in sports. It adds to the discussion afterwards. Gives fans of the loser something to hold on to.

Plus it was a split decision. Literally the closest decision it could have been beyond a draw. It's not as though the judges unanimously gave it to Cejudo 50-45

I thought Cejudo did enough to win. But if they gave it Johnson I wouldn't have considered it a robbery. Some fights are just close. And I am in Australia and can confirm for you that the Sun has indeed risen the following morning. So it's all good, and life will go on.
 
1140 words you just used to make a baseless point. You used more words than DJ, the fighter you are defending. Sig strikes by the judges just mean the strike actually connected fully, no partial blocks. That does not mean he won the fight. If you actually watch it for meaningful strikes (strikes that actually effect the opponent.) DJ has less than ten and they all come in the first three rounds. If you judge that fight by round and use a more nuanced definition of a significant strike DJ loses. Death by a thousand cuts does not work or win a judges decision and we saw that in many of Rick Story's fights earlier in his career. No judge cares about a numerical value when you aren't actually doing anything substantial.
Dude how can you defend mma judging and even cite examples as if it’s been anything but inconsistent?

Wow. Just wow.
 
I got to the part about Joe Rogan and realized there were still more blocks of sentences so I stopped.
 
Dude how can you defend mma judging and even cite examples as if it’s been anything but inconsistent?

Wow. Just wow.
Can you show me a single combat sport with a consistent judging system? You are delusional.
 
Most complaints about judging criteria just forget that fights are scored round by round. You can't win the whole fight by decision just because you inflicted damage on limited and very specific occasions. The strict quantity of significant strikes has also never been a judging criteria, it's just a convenient made-up stat that has no direct value (Mousasi outstruck Machida and nobody believes he was robbed).
 
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When will the day come where we get a fool proof, corruptless judging system in mma ?

Yesterday we saw MM lose despite outstriking, landing more damage and stuffing many takedowns. I’m not mad at the result though funnily enough because I wanted DJ to lose, I really did...but fairly. Not like this. I honestly wanted to see DJ get ktfo, or submitted in extraordinary fashion. Instead he got wrestlefucked and not a scratch to his face. Meanwhile cejudo took many heavy blows like body kicks and punches to the face. It was clear who inficlited more damage.

When Romero lost, a similar thing happened, only it was a closer fight damage wise admittably. But still though, the fighter that dealt more damage and knocked down the other fighter multiple times while not being floored himself, lost the fight. You can argue all you want but you must recognize that it takes a special strike to temporarily short circuit someone’s brain and floor them. It’s an accurate strike with pin point precision or sometimes a lucky strike, that connects on the opponent’s weak point and as a result causes a clear reaction of pain, instability and shows a clear shift in the fight.

These are undeniable events in fights that can’t just get ignored, swept under the rug, or underestimated using some bs subjective reasoning or logic. It’s an evident result of a significant strike and yet it sometimes gets passed up and not even scored or taken into account. What the fuck is that about?! meanwhile a takedown that isn’t even secured where the opponent gets right back up, or a td without any follow up punches elbows or sub attempts, gets scored higher? Gtfo!

It’s so selective that sometimes the point fighter wins, sometimes the wrestlefucker wins, there is no consistency in the judging and they are not being held accountable for bad decisions. You got company men like Rogan who could be more verbal about it and call them out about shit like that but they usually don’t. Of course he will be the first to call out that dumbass ice bucket boy who spills ice cubes by mistake and goes into a fit of rage about it, but will act all nonchalant and silent when a fight ends as a controversial decision and the victory given to the fighter who clearly did less and doesn’t deserve it. Ok maybe Rogan isn’t the best example but in general no one really speaks out against this shit in a meaningful way and it sucks.


At the end of the day It’s a fight, the main criteria should be damage, shouldn’t it ? Since that’s the main objective,the ufc is based on fighting, its even included in its name: ultimate FIGHTING championship, and to win a fight you need to do more fighting, fighting = damage. Supposedly. They program you into believing that effective fighting that wins fights is mostly about control. It isn’t. It’s purely about damage. That is the main criteria, the end all be all. No way of refutting that.

You can misconstrue it anyway you like and say it’s sports entertainment more than a sport and get into the semantics of the purposefully vague criteria, but it isn’t as hard to judge a fight as they wanna make it seem. This is a sport but it’s still modeled after real fighting is it not ? Therefore inflicting demonstrable damage and knocking down/out your opponent should score higher than strikes that don’t and definitely higher than takedowns that aren’t followed up by anything significant, should they not?

Do we agree or not? Be honest and fair, leave your biases aside and think about it a second.

Its gotten so bad that it’s like they only take damage into account when it’s convenient for the oddsmakers which is shady as fuck. Any fight that goes to a decision nowadays has a 50% chance of getting a tampered/fixed result I feel. It depends heavily on how the odds were stacked or if there is an agenda in place to make a certain fighter win and progress in his/her career because he is marketable (or put a halt to a fighter’s career if he is an unmarketable fighter.) It’s become so obvious by now that anyone who doesn’t see is either dumb or in denial. Stop being a fanboy and protect the integrity of the sport.

The day when fanboys of their favorite fighters start being honest and raise their voices out against this clear corruption will be the day something is finally done about it.

Until then we will continue to be taken for fools, because we give this shadiness a safe haven and even enable it by parroting the words “don’t leave it to the judges”. The worse fans are those that know all this shadiness goes on but still let their sense of fanboyism dominate and not their sense of fairness ethics and integrity. We saw that happen many times here on sherdog and it’s downright sad. A society filled with people who are willing to look the other way when they see something unfair. Churchill would be proud.


Just watch closely and pay attention to what Dana typically says after these questionable decisions at post fight press conferences. They always go the same, he nervously and preemptously deflects by saying something like “I had it really close, it could’ve gone either way, but what do I know, don’t listen to me”. Isn’t it clear he is conditioning the masses into believing that the ufc has nothing to do with fixing decisions, and furthermore that nothing can be done to improve mma judging? He has repeated this almost verbatim a couple of times even.

“Don’t leave it to the judges” is basically saying to everyone, this is a fixed sport, where the rules are fucked up so don’t leave it to the rules. You just might get screwed. It’s Unacceptable and it’s dissapointing that we are in 2018 and more mma media don’t call them out on this.

At the end of the day this isn’t about our favorite fighter winning or losing that controversial decision, it should be about demanding a cleaner and legit sport, one that is transparent and free of corruption, or at least one that tries to be. They aren’t even trying!

I remember the saying
“The best way to rob a bank is by owning one” And It applies perfectly here.


I know I’ll get some rancid responses but I’m just being honest. More than they are, and I stand behind my opinion 100% because I believe that change is possible but it’ll take much more public outcry.

If you want a cleaner and more transparent sport then you would speak out on it, it’s that simple. Do the right thing.


TLDR;

You suck as a fan if you are helping enable a corrupt sport.

The UFC has gotten more corrupted since WME took over. With Dana being the guy in charge, MMA has become more of a circus.

I have stopped supporting them and just watch stream.
 
Can you show me a single combat sport with a consistent judging system? You are delusional.
Who’s comparing ?

I’m just advocating for a cleaner sport, you should too. Using your negative logic doesn’t help anything.
 
Guys deducing from your ultra quick responses , you couldn’t have even read the whole post. How about giving it a fair read and then forming an opinion?
It would take less time to read a Harry Potter book.
 
I hate the way they score takedowns. One takedown can decide a round. However, you are awarded no points no matter how many takedowns you stop or how many times you get up

I’m also in favor of judging the fight as a while rather than round by round scoring
 
When will the day come where we get a fool proof, corruptless judging system in mma ?

Yesterday we saw MM lose despite outstriking, landing more damage and stuffing many takedowns. I’m not mad at the result though funnily enough because I wanted DJ to lose, I really did...but fairly. Not like this. I honestly wanted to see DJ get ktfo, or submitted in extraordinary fashion. Instead he got wrestlefucked and not a scratch to his face. Meanwhile cejudo took many heavy blows like body kicks and punches to the face. It was clear who inficlited more damage.

When Romero lost, a similar thing happened, only it was a closer fight damage wise admittably. But still though, the fighter that dealt more damage and knocked down the other fighter multiple times while not being floored himself, lost the fight. You can argue all you want but you must recognize that it takes a special strike to temporarily short circuit someone’s brain and floor them. It’s an accurate strike with pin point precision or sometimes a lucky strike, that connects on the opponent’s weak point and as a result causes a clear reaction of pain, instability and shows a clear shift in the fight.

These are undeniable events in fights that can’t just get ignored, swept under the rug, or underestimated using some bs subjective reasoning or logic. It’s an evident result of a significant strike and yet it sometimes gets passed up and not even scored or taken into account. What the fuck is that about?! meanwhile a takedown that isn’t even secured where the opponent gets right back up, or a td without any follow up punches elbows or sub attempts, gets scored higher? Gtfo!

It’s so selective that sometimes the point fighter wins, sometimes the wrestlefucker wins, there is no consistency in the judging and they are not being held accountable for bad decisions. You got company men like Rogan who could be more verbal about it and call them out about shit like that but they usually don’t. Of course he will be the first to call out that dumbass ice bucket boy who spills ice cubes by mistake and goes into a fit of rage about it, but will act all nonchalant and silent when a fight ends as a controversial decision and the victory given to the fighter who clearly did less and doesn’t deserve it. Ok maybe Rogan isn’t the best example but in general no one really speaks out against this shit in a meaningful way and it sucks.


At the end of the day It’s a fight, the main criteria should be damage, shouldn’t it ? Since that’s the main objective,the ufc is based on fighting, its even included in its name: ultimate FIGHTING championship, and to win a fight you need to do more fighting, fighting = damage. Supposedly. They program you into believing that effective fighting that wins fights is mostly about control. It isn’t. It’s purely about damage. That is the main criteria, the end all be all. No way of refutting that.

You can misconstrue it anyway you like and say it’s sports entertainment more than a sport and get into the semantics of the purposefully vague criteria, but it isn’t as hard to judge a fight as they wanna make it seem. This is a sport but it’s still modeled after real fighting is it not ? Therefore inflicting demonstrable damage and knocking down/out your opponent should score higher than strikes that don’t and definitely higher than takedowns that aren’t followed up by anything significant, should they not?

Do we agree or not? Be honest and fair, leave your biases aside and think about it a second.

Its gotten so bad that it’s like they only take damage into account when it’s convenient for the oddsmakers which is shady as fuck. Any fight that goes to a decision nowadays has a 50% chance of getting a tampered/fixed result I feel. It depends heavily on how the odds were stacked or if there is an agenda in place to make a certain fighter win and progress in his/her career because he is marketable (or put a halt to a fighter’s career if he is an unmarketable fighter.) It’s become so obvious by now that anyone who doesn’t see is either dumb or in denial. Stop being a fanboy and protect the integrity of the sport.

The day when fanboys of their favorite fighters start being honest and raise their voices out against this clear corruption will be the day something is finally done about it.

Until then we will continue to be taken for fools, because we give this shadiness a safe haven and even enable it by parroting the words “don’t leave it to the judges”. The worse fans are those that know all this shadiness goes on but still let their sense of fanboyism dominate and not their sense of fairness ethics and integrity. We saw that happen many times here on sherdog and it’s downright sad. A society filled with people who are willing to look the other way when they see something unfair. Churchill would be proud.


Just watch closely and pay attention to what Dana typically says after these questionable decisions at post fight press conferences. They always go the same, he nervously and preemptously deflects by saying something like “I had it really close, it could’ve gone either way, but what do I know, don’t listen to me”. Isn’t it clear he is conditioning the masses into believing that the ufc has nothing to do with fixing decisions, and furthermore that nothing can be done to improve mma judging? He has repeated this almost verbatim a couple of times even.

“Don’t leave it to the judges” is basically saying to everyone, this is a fixed sport, where the rules are fucked up so don’t leave it to the rules. You just might get screwed. It’s Unacceptable and it’s dissapointing that we are in 2018 and more mma media don’t call them out on this.

At the end of the day this isn’t about our favorite fighter winning or losing that controversial decision, it should be about demanding a cleaner and legit sport, one that is transparent and free of corruption, or at least one that tries to be. They aren’t even trying!

I remember the saying
“The best way to rob a bank is by owning one” And It applies perfectly here.


I know I’ll get some rancid responses but I’m just being honest. More than they are, and I stand behind my opinion 100% because I believe that change is possible but it’ll take much more public outcry.

If you want a cleaner and more transparent sport then you would speak out on it, it’s that simple. Do the right thing.

A. Your choice of fight to prompt such a long, detailed expression of outrage is as confusing as it is silly. That was a close ass fight. The media scored it right around 50/50. Sherdog's own play by play judges split their opinions, and ONLY disagreed on a single round (the fifth). The official judges also split there decision disagreeing on only a single round. The fucking comentators all had it at a possible 2-2 going into the fifth, which was very close. That's how almost everyone had it. Three or four clear rounds. One or two very close rounds. How in hell can anyone get outraged about that.

B. What's your measure for damage? Is it blood and bruising? Because guys often get KOd cold without a drop of blood or the slightest bruising. Is it getting your bell rang? Because some guys are pretty damned good at hiding when they get their bell rung... and some guys even pretend to be hurt when they aren't. Does damage count as much if it's on the shin as on the chin? How about this one: If it LOOKS LIKE you're beating the shit out of your opponent for the first four rounds, but in the fifth he beats the shit out of you, then isn't that pretty good evidence that, in fact, he's been winning all along? I mean, if you've done so much "damage" and he's done so little "damage," then why does he have fight left in him when you're done fighting? This is supposed to be like a real fight, right? All that matters in a real fight is who is winning when it ends, right?

C. Are you arguing that control without damage isn't important in a real fight? Because that's simply false. In fact, in a civil society there are a hell of a lot of real fight situations where the optimal goal is to control the nut who is trying to damage you or someone else or your property while doing minimal damage.

D. When in that fight did MM do any damage? What are the complainers even talking about, here?
 
Ok fair enough but how do you explain away when there is a legit knockdown due to a blow that cause a temporary short circuit of the opponents brain synapses? Surely thats proven brain damage


Or do fighters just consciously choose to fall down for the fun of it ?

On this we agree. Get dropped by a strike, and lose a point. Just like boxing. Now, mind you, the argument that losing a point in a three round fight isn't the same as losing a point in a 10 or 12 round fight is also a pretty valid argument.
 
The UFC has gotten more corrupted since WME took over. With Dana being the guy in charge, MMA has become more of a circus.

I have stopped supporting them and just watch stream.
Good on ya my man. At least someone here is proactive when condemning this blatant display of corruption. Ufc doesn’t deserve our money until they get their shit together.
 
Shout out to all the attention deficit cheetoh-fingered,mouth-breathing,dislexic, non literary retards up in this post. If reading isn’t your thing then probably subscribing to online forums wasn’t a good idea in the first place either. Common sense. Use it.
 
I love to write, but that is way too long of a OP.

I do agree that the judging is odd. I do believe that Demetrious fucked himself with his passive last 10 minutes though.
 
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