Sean Sherk's Striking

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  1. Ted-P

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    It's pretty good.

    But he's gotta change his countering game abit. He tries to counter like someone who has a long reach.

    He does it all the time, but it's just not that effective.
     
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    lol I was waiting for someone to start a thread about this.

    What's good about his striking? That he throws a lot of punches? He doesn't move his head, he doesn't establish range or find range with a jab, he doesn't step-in, and he doesn't use many angles aside from the same 2 or 3 over and over.

    BJ beat him to the punch more times than not with very basic techniques. I'm DULY impressed with BJ's Boxing ability, as opposed to Shawn's swarming. Swarming doesn't work on guys who know how to throw hands and utilize offense and defense at the same time.

    Shawn has a lot of speed, and he's tough. But I don't think he REALLY knows how to use it. Just seems that up until this point he counted on it surprising the guys he was in with.
     
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    Wand swarmed Jardine
     
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    Sohei A Smocking gun

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    Yeah i cant really see why Sherk tried to strike at all. He should have covered up and threw a ton of leg kicks.

    i kept waiting for him to clinch and slam BJ but he never did.
     
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    And? Keith is not, nor has ever been as good with his hands as Penn, or even very technical for that matter.

    Aside from BJ tiring, I don't see any way on paper Sherk could have won that fight. MMA is evolving indeed, to the degree where level of opposition establishes classes. BJ is pretty much better at everything than Sherk, aside from going real fast, which isn't always necessary and even sometimes, a terrible idea because the opponent might adjust. BJ can adjust to that.
     
  6. Ted-P

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    "Pretty good" was just based on my subjective and biased standards.

    Well, it's better than given credited for and I think by MMA standards it's not bad.

    But yea, the wild ass swinging has to go especially when he got clinched. He really doesn't land clean either.

    And he seemed to abandon his defense especially head movement as the fight went on. He got jabbed shit load and he tried to counter from so far away when he doesnt have the reach. I thought he showed ok headmovement and footwork against GSP and diaz, but didn't really see much of it here.

    But you're right. He really does not fight like a good inside fighter. The dude never finds his range and steps inside.

    Rogan actually said it right when Sean is just stepping into BJ's pocket not his own.
     
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    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    The abandonment had to do with him getting hit. You ever sparred a guy like that? He's real fast and tricky until you tag him a few times, then he's normal?

    That's what happened to Sherk. He got hit back, and he couldn't control the pace against BJ's jab. He's got tools, just now he has to learn how to use them. He'd be an incredible body-puncher if he put his energy into it.

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    He just doesn't seem like he has the punching power to be an incredible one.
     
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    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Volume to the body sucks. You don't have to be a 1-punch killer for that. If he mixed short hooks low with uppercuts high, he'd resemble the Legendary "Chiquita" Gonzalez, who KO'd more than his fair share of tough guys.
     
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    To be fair, he only swarmed him after he rocked the shit out of jardine.

    Silva never swarmed him until he rocked him. Keith was the one stepping into Silva's range.

    In hindsight, the houston fight was basically a preview of what happens to jardine when he fights inside against power hitters(not forrest plus Forrest never really pressured him).

    He's not fast enough inside and doesnt have the chin to brawl. And he fights a very dangerous brawler and step inside his range equalings his demise.

    Even against chuck, Jardine showed alot of vulnerability when chuck pressed him and he started spazzing out.

    I can't tell if it's jardine's chin or silva hitting very hard cause that punch rocked him intially didnt land clean at all although that clinch-left hook landed right on the button.
     
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    Hes a better wrestler than Penn and i agree with you it was a stupid fight for Sherk to take coz even if he did take BJ down BJ would have submitted him, but sherks onyl chance layed in clinching and slamming BJ and then eeking out a decision by avoiding subs. I was hoping he would do that.

    Theres only so much striking yo can do with T-rex arms.
     
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    well it's just that he's not even a good accumlative damage guy either. The guy has never rocked someone on his feet. And I've watched most of his fights.

    I just hope he's able to develop an inside game cause it just makes sad when he is constantly whiffing those punches.

    It makes sad cause it just reminds of that cliched movie and cartoon scenes where the longer and bigger dude just puts his hand on the shorter guy's head and the shorter person can't get inside and reach with his punches.
     
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    lol.
     
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    man sherks face looked like ground beef after that fight! he got his arse handed to him.
     
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    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    But then what do you mean by "inside game"...? If he can't hurt a guy to the body, then an inside game is useless, too.
     
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    someone give zambo's number to sherk
     
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    For him to get inside without getting blasted and actually land combos cleanly on someone very consistently. He really hasn't done too much from my memory. I can remember off the top of my head where I remember him landing really "bitch" left hook and right hook combo on gsp. and few times against nick diaz, but that's cause diaz is slow as molasses.


    The main thing is thouh, I feel like it would improve his takedown game too.

    If sherk is close enough to land combos accurately on you, you are most definitely within his shootin range.
     
  19. Mithra

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    Serious question-

    Does Sherk despite his midget arms actually have the potential to develop striking to compete with guys like BJ or Diaz?

    Is he doomed to being less than stellar as a striker because he just has no reach or could he go train with a top "striking instructor" and get to the point where he doesn't swing and miss by an inch all the time?
     
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    Someone give sherk zambo's punching power is more like it.
     

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