School me on these GLORY 17/LMS fighters

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  1. TheOneWhoKnocks

    TheOneWhoKnocks White Belt

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    I'm very new to kickboxing, but am very interested in this card (for obvious reasons, 8 man tourney, HW title etc). Also give your thoughts on their chances to win their fight/fights as well as your preferred first round matchup and why(MW).

    Simon Marcus
    Wayne Barrett
    Filip Verlinden
    Bogdan Stoica
    Alex Perreira
    Ky Hollenbeck
    Yodkhunpon Sitmonchai
    Shane Oblonsky
    Gabriel Varga
     
  2. Dean Burley

    Dean Burley Amateur Fighter

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    Simon Marcus is arguably the favorite and best muay thai guy in the world at that weight class. I found it funny that the poll on the website wasn't showing him any love. He has 2 wins a peice over Artem Levin and Joe Schilling. The 2 top kickboxers in Glory's MW division.

    Wayne Barrett recently upset Joe Schilling after Schilling had won the previous tournament. He's a boxer with only like 5 pro kickboxing fights so far.

    Filip Verlinden was decent HW and I thought we would kill it at light heavyweight, but he really didn't make that big of a splash, so I don't think he will be a monster at middleweight either.

    Bogdan Stoica is Andre Stoica's less talented little brother. He's frustrating to cheer for. He will probably get bounced in the first round.

    Alex Perriera won his way into the Last Man Standing with a win in the contender tournament. Very exiting and nasty fighter. Idk how he will stack up with these guys but watch his fights from the last tournament. They should be on the Glory website for free
     
  3. Pem123

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    Simon Marcus : High level MT fighter, probably the best at his weight class
    Wayne Barret : beat Joe Schilling
    Ky Hollenbeck : one of the best MT fighter in USA, you should check out his KO against Cyrus that was awesome

    to be continued
     
  4. ichibang

    ichibang Black Belt

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    You guys realize Simon is great in "full Thai rule" but not "glory" rule right?
    Simon is not the favorite, he has zero experience in Glory ring, and has fought almost
    every fight in full Thai rule, he is also moving up in weight class for this tourney.
     
  5. Andy1992

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    I'm also pretty new to kickboxing watched it on and off a few years ago but no expert seemed hard to follow the fights in the UK. I can say I watched Perriera fight recently and he seemed very impressive from what I hear Marcus is very talented to and possibly should be the favourite or one of them at least. For me though I want Manhoef to do well guys always been a favourite of mine in MMA and Kickboxing.
     
  6. Troy4141

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    It's mostly because his wins came under FTR with a style that is heavily reliant on clinching. He doesn't have much experience under kickboxing rules (if any, I'd have to actually look it up, but if he even does, it's minimal) and that's why he isn't getting love, he's a dark horse for sure, but he's a major wildcard at this point under Glory rules.
     
  7. charlesponzi

    charlesponzi Blue Belt

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    Bogdan Stoica is actually the guy with the most crazy knock outs and is my favorite fighter out of these names. But he had a motor accident and havent been his self lately, so i hope he can come back.

    Here is a highlight of the Stoica brothers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vugmnP9AEsE
     
  8. Brocktirement**

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    he looked like shit the last time he fought at superkombat and shouldn't be even in the tourney....he was an emberrasment to the paying customer

    parreira is from the names you mentioned the guy that pretty much nobody knew and he showed us some nice things

    glory has found a couple of nice brazilian fighters, maybe perreira can get the upset but Levin is still by far the favourite to win it
     
  9. effin

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    Get with the program bro, Stoica brothers are shit on around here, they are filthy romanians that were artificially boosted in SuperKombat.
     
  10. Brocktirement**

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    filthy romanians? no, just no. just very shitty compared to the hype they get here

    1 got put in his place in his glory debut

    the other was just a waste of money in his last fight........got totally blasted by lloren
     
  11. VicariousVice

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    Simon Marcus:

    My fellow Canadian. An undefeated Nak Muay from Toronto Canada. A good clincher, with wins over three other quarter finalists Levin, Schilling, and Verlinden aswell as Glory new comer and prospect Israel Adesanya. However these are under FTR(Full Thai Rules) which most casuals don't understand is different in it's rule set, it's training and it's approach to fighting than Glory. I actually wouldn't favour him at all in this tournament.

    Wayne Barrett:

    IMO one of the two to three favorites I have to win the tournament. Good Boxer, but can't only be defined as that. He's been training in Karate, Boxing and MT for a long time. He knows how to throw knees and kicks. Mixes the disciplines quite well and is a technical fighter. Don't let his lack of experience fool you. He may only have 4 fights in total but mark my words, he's going to the final.

    Filip Verlinden:

    A solid fighter, who has competed in three different Glory divisions. Used to fight HW and LHW and really has only lost to the best of those respective divisions. He's lighter at this weight class and therefore faster and personally I'd say he's found his true home here. While I wouldn't favor him to win, I also wouldn't count him out entirely.

    Bogdan Stoica:

    Younger brother of Andrei Stoica. Don't know a whole lot about this guy, but he's made a name for himself fighting what most would consider lesser competition in a lesser organization. 2012 I believe he was in a motorcycle accident which hurt his back. Hasn't been the same ever since. I'd say he doesn't make it past the quarter final.

    Alex Perreira:

    Another former Boxer, who I'm personally excited by. Again, he also knows how to do everything well, so don't think he's a limited striker. He won the contender tournament at Glory 14 to qualify for this tournament. The shame about that tournament was that he wasn't given the opportunity to avenge one of his few losses to Jason Wilnis from the last It's Showtime event back in Brazil. Depending on who he's matched against I could see him making it into the Semis, but against guys like Barrett, Levin, even Verlinden I wouldn't give him much of a chance.

    Ky Hollenbeck:

    Training partner and friend of Joe Schilling. He's really more of a Muay Thai fighter than pure kickboxer I'd say. He's done reasonably well in Glory so far, having been a quarter finalist in Glory's first Lightweight tournament back in 2012, meeting the champion Giorgio Petrosyan. Unfortunately he had a knee injury in the second round and couldn't continue. But since his return has beaten the likes of Albert Kraus and Warren Stevelmans. He's a big underdog against his opponent Andy Ristie, the man who beat Petro for the first time in like 6 years.

    Yodkhunpon Sitmonchai:

    Can't really say I know much of anything about this guy. But what I do know is that he's ofcourse a Muay Thai fighter fighting out of Sitmonchai gym, which means he's not afraid to punch. So he's not a typical Thai as he's not much of a clincher and fights alot more at distance. I'd say his fight with Varga is going to be a good one.

    Shane Oblonsky:

    This guy has a hard life. If you care to read his story it's on Glory's website under his profile. Basically he's been on his own since 12 and training in Boxing since 14 and then later Kickboxing. I've never seen him fight, but he sounds like a good prospect to me. I'd say, despite never having seen him fight, he will beat Torres. Torres isn't that great of a striker. I personally think he's going to meet Varga in the final.

    Gabriel Varga:

    My other fellow Canadian. I have high hopes for this guy. He competed in Glory 8 Japans 8 man Featherweight tournament and did reasonably well against both of his opponents, having lost to the tournament winner Yuta Kubo. His fight with Kubo was a good fight, and personally was a close one. I don't know how he'll do against Yodkhunpun, but I'd expect he'll outwork him given Yod's last performance under Glory's rules.
     
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  12. Broadcast

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    Unpredictable tournament, but I hope Bogdan Stoica (wounded animal) will take on Barrett or even Schilling, and not Levin, while Verlinden might also be avoided. We could see Levin in the high phases, about the rest I don"t know. I am not convinced yet of Marcus" value, he"s a bit untested on these rules and even generally, but I have confidence in him way more than in Barrett (though Wayne is stylish at training). I feel you"re also overrating a bit Pereira.
     
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    Even generally? Ever looked on his record and compared it to your beloved Bogdan Stoica?

    Throw away your eastern-european glasses and face fuckin reality, please.
     
  14. Broadcast

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    I thought Marcus is better than the other North Americans in Glory. I wanted him in the promotion.

    Marcus only beat Levin, and this was in the United States. Now we all know Levin is European. Valent isn"t that much, he barely beat our Nedelcu, he couldn"t knock him out. Bogdan Stoica is much better than that guy. And win of Simon over Vakhitov, when the Russian was on losing streak, young and in the start of his professional career. He also won Adesanya.

    Kickboxing is Europe. If you ask me I don"t give a shit about your Muaythai, even though I admit there are some good fighters there but mostly from Thailand. And if there is one (non-Thai) which I like I mention him, no problem.
     
  15. Trevor KO**

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    I don't really care, but Bogdan stoica shouldn't be there. He is just overrated and an incomplete kickboxer. When I'm saying incomplete I don't use a generally meaning of this word, but deeper version. I mean, look as his boxing. It is incomplete. He rely to much on wild counter hooks. He isn't so active with his arms. He doesn't have good jab or straight punches. His defence sucks big time because he rely only on tight guard and nothing more. He doesn't know too well how to use/implement his footwork or his head movement in his defence. He is athletic and he can kick, but also his kicks are all about brutal force and not technique or even timing. His chin is very good though, much better than Andrei's chin. He also has some ko power. But never will be a top 20. He doesn't have what it needs to be a top 20 fighter.

    The car crashing doesn't have nothing to do with his bad performences in his last 3 fights. He never was a great fighter, he only fought bad competition.

    Andrei Stoica is actually heavily underrated. He has some problem with his defence, especially when he is attacking. He leave too many holes sometimes. Also his chin isn't great. He is one of the most technical fighter at LHW though. He isn't so athetic as his brother, bogdan stoica, but he is a very technical fighter. Practically he knows to fight better, he is more talented. Bogdan stoica was more gifted by nature with his body, but he isn't talented at fighting. To me being talented means to know how to fight, how to do a thing better, more perfect= technique. People tend to think that being a big ass balck guy with huge muscle, huge ko power, fast and very explosive mean to be talented. This so wrong. This only means you are gifted by nature with your performant body. If someone has a stronger erection than me it doesn't mean he knows better or he is more talented than me at sex. You know, i'm talented but I don't have the right tools to be more effective than that big ass strong dick. Or you just look at bob sapp vs Hoost where the big dick defeated the smaller and more talented dick.
     
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  16. whitesport

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  17. Pem123

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    some people can transition well, many has try. its not like Simon is the first one to do it.
    and if you look like whos fighting in the tourney, Schilling and Artem also mostly FTR fighter.

    i look at his fight, he has some decent hand, i think he will be alright
     
  18. Broadcast

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    Kaoklai was finished (you"re the guy who still thinks that Kraus is still a top kickboxer? or was it a Thai? well Kaoklai wasn"t even semi-expired, he was totally expired for the past years), Valent couldn"t beat Romanian Nedelcu by KO, Bogdan is much better than Alex, and Vakhitov was very young, at the start of his professional career and on a losing streak (I think you weren"t reading my lines). I don"t know what to say about Schilling, he"s unpredictable. Props for the win against Levin.

    Zeyada and Sikking, but we"re not comparing them. Because I was for Marcus since long time ago and I"m happy that he joined Glory. Generally a bit untested, Marcus, yes. But I have the feeling he could be very good. I"m talking about Glory level. I wonder how will he handle on kickboxing rules?

    Tell me one top Romanian glass in martial arts! One. All who were KOed have tried to come back. Polish fighters are glasses indeed unfortunately, but you can"t say that about Romanians, Ukrainians and Russians.

    Andrei Stoica doesn"t have glass chin, he was KOed twice but was never laying on the floor. He recovered but couldn"t continue due to dizziness. He was also training in MMA. Then Bogdan never got KOed in his career. Adegbuyi"s chin is indeed questionable but it might be because of the African gene.

    Yes, it has. He didn"t fight like an amateur before. He didn"t protect his liver last time. Sorry Trevor but this time I can"t share your opinion! I saw them in trainings. Bogdan is very fast, don"t watch his punching bag because you"re underrating his jab. Watch his fights for the jab analysis. His biggest power is in his hands actually, even though he"s unpredictable kickboxer who holds low kicks, axe kicks and has that movement. His problem is psychological since the accident. He"ll become one of the best Romanian kickboxers. He"s indeed on a bad track but can recover even if he loses here. Because he"s young. You talk about his defense but in his good days you can"t catch him. He hits flat indeed but this isn"t a problem because he"s very natural and mobile and doesn"t need to go toe-to-toe. You"re understimating his boxing big.

    Both brothers are explosive but Bogdan is always mobile. Andrei should learn to protect his head better (Adegbuyi also had this problem) by not leaving holes and to put pressure always, to be agressive because he has this ability. His body is stronger, not just the back but also the legs.

    Note that I"ve said that Andrei has only 35% chance against Ilunga, and not because he is inconstant because I knew he had improved and will come well prepared and solidly consistent, but because Danyo is tall and very strong.

    Now I would say that if Bogdan manages to avoid Levin and even Verlinden (I don"t know what to expect from the Belgian but I know he"s experienced), he"ll make at least semifinals. I personally think Levin is the favorite.
     
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    it's fucking ridiculous how Spong is still hyping the stocia's when they have proved absolutely nothing

    you are so biased Spng, it's so pathetic

    adegbuyi is the only one who lives up to the hype and even he hasn't faced real competition
     
  20. JustinvR

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    With Eastern-European glasses he means that you need to look at the Stoicas, Adegbuyi or every other SK fighter without being so extremely biased.
     

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