Schaub- Holly Holm "One of the greatest if not the greatest female fighter of all time"

[Big Nasty Edison]

I don't really care about Holm one way or the other, but objectively speaking she is probably top 5 of WMMA of all time easily. But that's not saying much.

 

[UFC=Pride]

That never gets old

 

[BigMuffler]

I don't really care about Holm one way or the other, but objectively speaking she is probably top 5 of WMMA of all time easily. But that's not saying much.

Cyborg, Tate, Shevchenko and GDR beat her. Of the ones who beat her Cyborg, Tate and arguably Shevchenko also have better resumes while Joanna and Nunes never fought her but have way better resumes, you can also make a case for Ronda even though she lost to Holm due to a way better resume. Top 10 sure but not top 5 "easily."

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Cyborg, Tate, Shevchenko and GDR beat her. Of the ones who beat her Cyborg, Tate and arguably Shevchenko also have better resumes while Joanna and Nunes never fought her but have way better resumes, you can also make a case for Ronda even though she lost to Holm due to a way better resume. Top 10 sure but not top 5 "easily."

I love Tate but I don't know if I put her above Holm.

Also I dunno why but I've always been partial to Marloes Coenen too but I don't know if she fits anywhere in top 10 WMMA all time list.

 

[BigMuffler]

I love Tate but I don't know if I put her above Holm.

Also I dunno why but I've always been partial to Marloes Coenen too but I don't know if she fits anywhere in top 10 WMMA all time list.

Well Tate beat her and has more high ranked wins, the only thing Holm has over her are fewer losses (but also fewer wins/fights) and that she beat Ronda... but Tate beat Holm.

Coenen has about as much of a top 10 claim as Holm at least.

 

[Yourstepdad]

Lucia Rijker is the greatest female fighter ever imo

 

[Eater of Souls]

I love Tate but I don't know if I put her above Holm.

Also I dunno why but I've always been partial to Marloes Coenen too but I don't know if she fits anywhere in top 10 WMMA all time list.

Well, Tate has more wins and obviously beat Holm, so there's that.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Well, Tate has more wins and obviously beat Holm, so there's that.

But looking at their careers as a whole, who will have a bigger lasting impact and who will end up contributing to the sport more? That's important to consider in these types of discussions, and not just applying MMAth (not saying you are, just making a generic statement).


When Holm retires, and you compare both their careers, I think Holm will have meant more to the sport overall. And like I said, I don't even really care for Holm and don't find her interesting at all. But looking at the broader picture I see her being pretty high up the "all times" list.

 

[Eater of Souls]

But looking at their careers as a whole, who will have a bigger lasting impact and who will end up contributing to the sport more? That's important to consider in these types of discussions, and not just applying MMAth (not saying you are, just making a generic statement).


When Holm retires, and you compare both their careers, I think Holm will have meant more to the sport overall. And like I said, I don't even really care for Holm and don't find her interesting at all. But looking at the broader picture I see her being pretty high up the "all times" list.

The thread is not "who meant more to the sport" but who is the better fighter.

 

[Dana_is_your_GOD]

Taint beat her

 

[Finnish Fan]

Schaub is irrelevant.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

The thread is not "who meant more to the sport" but who is the better fighter.

And one person beating another doesn't immediately put them higher when discussing "of all time".

If that's all it takes then Stefan Struve must be higher all time than Stipe since he beat Stipe, and Stipe has never avenged that loss.

 

[BigMuffler]

And one person beating another doesn't immediately put them higher when discussing "of all time".

If that's all it takes then Stefan Struve must be higher all time than Stipe since he beat Stipe, and Stipe has never avenged that loss.

It doesn't but Tate also has more high ranked wins and was a 2-time champion in the top orgs for WMMA at the time, the main thing that makes people respect Holly more is that her style is more respected (ugh).

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

It doesn't but Tate also has more high ranked wins and was a 2-time champion in the top orgs for WMMA at the time, the main thing that makes people respect Holly more is that her style is more respected (ugh).

That's a more reasonable argument.

 

[cheezum]

she's much better than her recent record suggests. she was well ahead against miesha until the sub, was robbed by a cheating germaine, and brought cyborg to a decision.

 

[Eater of Souls]

And one person beating another doesn't immediately put them higher when discussing "of all time".

If that's all it takes then Stefan Struve must be higher all time than Stipe since he beat Stipe, and Stipe has never avenged that loss.

I did not say that was all it takes.

 

[youllneverwalkalone]

she's much better than her recent record suggests. she was well ahead against miesha until the sub, was robbed by a cheating germaine, and brought cyborg to a decision.

This.

 

[Sambaking]

Alot of you dont seem to understand that even if you totally ignore her entire MMA career she is still one of the 2 or 3 best female boxers ever. That alone makes Schaubs claim pretty accurate.

The MMA stuff was just icing on the cake.

No she is not. Not even close.

Lucia Rijker, Ann Wolfe, Laila Ali, Breakhus to name a few and I know nothing about woman's boxing so I'll be missing plenty. Claressa Shields and Katie Taylor ar much better as well.

 

[Sambaking]

Ann Wolfe would literally decapitate these women.

Miesha Tate to Ann Wolfe. Fuck sake. Levels.

Boxing >

 

[cevo]

she's much better than her recent record suggests. she was well ahead against miesha until the sub, was robbed by a cheating germaine, and brought cyborg to a decision.

Getting out-struck for long periods of time is considered an accomplishment now? And her fight against Meisha was boring, can't remember a single good shot from either of them.