Schaub- Holly Holm "One of the greatest if not the greatest female fighter of all time"

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by George Costanza, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. KinG

    KinG Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2001
    Messages:
    2,597
    Likes Received:
    265
    Location:
    sweden
    Schaub has lost so much credibilty , stopped listening to him about stuff like that .
     
  2. kwd1253

    kwd1253 Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,358
    Likes Received:
    476
    Fully around it does to me. Think jj is right behind holly. Jj could ask Dana for boxing match since ufc getting into boxing. That could be her ticket to surpass holly achievements.
     
  3. Super Grover

    Super Grover Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2011
    Messages:
    1,894
    Likes Received:
    1,017
    "Greatest Female Fighter of All Time"


    Is this really a hard concept??
     
    julmma likes this.
  4. Eater of Souls

    Eater of Souls Guardian of the Gate

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2016
    Messages:
    10,865
    Likes Received:
    16,139
    Shevchenko.
     
  5. ap730

    ap730 Banned Banned

    Joined:
    May 25, 2016
    Messages:
    56
    Likes Received:
    68
    She needs to get a belt first. That's one thing Holly has done that Valentina has not.
     
    julmma likes this.
  6. hedidhisownstunts

    hedidhisownstunts ThE oNe TrUe AnALyZeR

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2016
    Messages:
    3,137
    Likes Received:
    3,020
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    i agree. she even fought thats trans dude who they pretend is fem and went to decision.
     
    julmma likes this.
  7. Super Grover

    Super Grover Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2011
    Messages:
    1,894
    Likes Received:
    1,017
    Debatable but ok just for fun I will even give you that.

    so ONE woman is on the same level as Holm. How is Schaub wrong by saying Holm is one of the best female fighters????
     
    lsa and julmma like this.
  8. Peteyandjia

    Peteyandjia Iridescent Algae Staff Member Forum Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2007
    Messages:
    76,073
    Likes Received:
    94,003
    Location:
    Mountain Bar
    <mma4>
     
    Eater of Souls likes this.
  9. Eater of Souls

    Eater of Souls Guardian of the Gate

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2016
    Messages:
    10,865
    Likes Received:
    16,139
    Well, not really debatable, as she has just as many titles, wins against superior competition. She is also a master of sport in Judo, and, of course, beat Holm who is substantially larger than Val, who walks around at the same weight some WSW do.

    Doing well at women's boxing against nobody's does not make you a great fighter. If she was, she would not have shit footwork, too much weight on her forward leg, piss-poor ability to control distance and not start punching from so far outside her jab is essentially a throw-away punch.

    I named others elsewhere in this thread, btw. So have other people. Plenty of female MT fighters have exceptional records and solid technique. Holm has mediocre technique and makes up for it with good athleticism and phenomenal endurance. Her actual poor technical ability has been discussed at length. She also suffers for her lack of a well-rounded striking arsenal. Which is too bad, as she seems like a genuinely decent human being and a good ambassador for the sport.
     
    MMAAlexR likes this.
  10. Eater of Souls

    Eater of Souls Guardian of the Gate

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2016
    Messages:
    10,865
    Likes Received:
    16,139
    So get on it.
     
  11. Eater of Souls

    Eater of Souls Guardian of the Gate

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2016
    Messages:
    10,865
    Likes Received:
    16,139
    So? She beat Holm. Despite giving away at least 20 lbs. This is not about who has a damn UFC belt, but who is the better fighter. Given that the one who is not lost to the one who is, that is pretty much all that matters.
     
  12. beastman

    beastman Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2006
    Messages:
    11,240
    Likes Received:
    4,087
    Location:
    USA
    Kickboxing has bouts
    Boxing has bouts
    BJJ has matches

    They aren't fights.

    -Lighten up Francis
     
  13. blacknblue104

    blacknblue104 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2011
    Messages:
    458
    Likes Received:
    680
    If we're talking about combat sports overall, she definitley is...

    She is the first ever person in history to win major World Titles in boxing and in MMA...not just woman, but person period. She was Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year twice and she is undoubtley one of the greatest female welterweights of all time in boxing.

    She knocked out the first ever women's champion in UFC history....She almost became the first two division UFC champion in Women's MMA history.

    Lucia Rijker is definitley up there, but being a World Champion in boxing/kickboxing is nowhere near as impressive as being World Champion in a striking sport as well as a sport that involves grappling like MMA.

    Holly is easily one of the greatest female fighters of all time, no question.
     
    julmma likes this.
  14. keylock21

    keylock21 Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2007
    Messages:
    2,268
    Likes Received:
    493
    Location:
    Joss Stones panty drawer
    You're joking, right?
     
  15. WinZip

    WinZip Trial Version Expired

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2015
    Messages:
    14,677
    Likes Received:
    18,733
    Schaub doesn't know who Cyborg is or...?
     
  16. Threetrees

    Threetrees The Voice of Reason

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2009
    Messages:
    38,259
    Likes Received:
    64,968
    Location:
    Library
    No.
     
    ortizgnp likes this.
  17. Langinbang187

    Langinbang187 Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2013
    Messages:
    2,371
    Likes Received:
    3,644
    Do people take anything this guy has to say seriously?
     
  18. frontkick1

    frontkick1 Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2014
    Messages:
    722
    Likes Received:
    416
    Location:
    PARIS
    shcaub being schaub
     
  19. KootenayKid

    KootenayKid Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2015
    Messages:
    3,293
    Likes Received:
    3,582
    Location:
    An Igloo
    She's one of the best for sure, her boxing credentials help. I think people hold losses to mma fighters too harshly.

    Fighters don't get the luxury of losses like team sports. When I look at Holly's skillset compared to other wmma fighters and her wins, I hold her pretty high. Not the best ever necessarily though.
     
  20. mmacasualviewer

    mmacasualviewer Hardcores vs Casuals

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2017
    Messages:
    7,482
    Likes Received:
    4,950
    Location:
    Strong Island
    Still more accurate than anything Rogan and Grozny Cab Fights 2.0 fanboys say.
     
    julmma likes this.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.