Saudi and UAE to send SF troops to Syria. Trap being sprung, will US step on it??

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  1. MicroBrew

    MicroBrew Steel Belt

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    It looks like the Saudis and Emiratis really are going into Syria, on the ground.

    Now I wonder if the US will fall for their trap. The Saudis have been trying to get the US to bomb Assad for a few years now and were/are pissed that Obama didn't get involved.

    So now they try attempt #2, which is them promising to send troops to fight ISIS , though we know they are really there to fight Assad.

    My hunch is their promise of sending troops to fight ISIS is them laying a trap for the US, to get the US dragged into their coalition . Once in Syria, they won't be doing much so the US will be forced by the war hawks here and Europe to put boots on the ground , or atleast launch an air campaign against Assad. The excuse will be that we can't abandon the Gulf Arabs and Turks and it's in Israel's benefit too .

    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2016...deast-crisis-syria-carter.html?ref=middleeast

    The policy makers , military heads and political leaders here will know this is an attempt to get the US involved. So it comes down to whether there is enough pressure on Obama and if he bends to it.

    Erdogan is threatening to open the flod gates and send more refugees to Europe, so the Euros will get onboard with deposing Assad because Erdogan is twisting their arm. But if the Sunni Rebels win, there will be mass ethnic cleasning and genocide , leading to Shia, Christian , Kurds and Druze fleeing Syria to Europe anyways.
     
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    One of the things we've learned from Wikileaks was the U.S. had been trying to undermine and replace the Assad regime in Syria as far back as 2006.

    IMO, Obama won't now. He took shit for that whole redline thing, but he learned his lesson from Libya and wasn't stupid enough to risk another catastrophe over some words.

    Now every republican running for potus on the other hand would gladly step into that mess and I'm not so sure Clinton wouldn't either.
     
  3. Rod1

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    Wont happen under Obama, Shillary would probably dive head first.
     
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    Abezal Banned Banned

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    Great a even more bigger cluster fuck, with more moronic religious incompetent ahmeds.

    Gulf tards aren't going bankrupt fast enough.
     
  5. Rod1

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    What could they possibly accomplish?
     
  6. Rex Kwon Do

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    No, Obama won't do shit.

    Also,.ethnic cleansing vs. dictator slaughtering men/women/children for living in politically hostile areas. Same end result either way. Fuck Assad.
     
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    I Syriasly hope not.
     
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    Saudi and Qatar finally couldn't stand watching their jihadist puppets burn. The funny thing is their troops can't fight for shit, so I'm waiting for the comedy as they get besmirched by Russians and Hezbollah.
     
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    Has anyone thought through what happens when while attacking Assad they hit Russians?
     
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  10. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    It's about time we let the Middle East settle their shit in-house.

    What's really happening is Saudi vs. Iran, with their own proxies and allies. No American (or Russian) lives should be sacrificed for this neighborhood beef.

    But if the Russians kept insisting on direct military intervention on behalf of Assad and bomb the Kurds under the guise of fighting "terrorists", it will give reason for the hawks to bang the war drums in unison with our valuable geopolitical allies.
     
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    Yeah i doubt the Russians fuck with the kurds, specially after the Turks shot down their plane, and no way Assad goes to war against the SDF without Russian support.

    What will happen is that once the jhadis are cleared up, the SDF will negotiate witht he government and Syria will probably be split up.
     
  12. VivaRevolution

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    I read on this, that it is a token gesture by SA, and that they wouldn't send any troops to actually fight Saudi ISIS fighters, as this would be very unpopular in SA.
     
  13. VivaRevolution

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    I think SA would then get their Shi'ite pushed in.
     
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  14. Looks like hilarys campaign sponsors are about to poke a hornets nest.
     
  15. MicroBrew

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    The Saudi offer of ground troops to 'fight isis' is concomitant with the US sending ground forces to fight ISIS. I.E. they will send troops as part of a US led coalition.

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    Just ran across this article in the American Conservative, and it pretty much nails my thoughts.

    "The disengenous Saudi "offer" to fight in Syria"
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-disingenuous-saudi-offer-to-fight-in-syria/



    " Last week the Saudis said they would send ground forces to fight in Syria, but only on condition that they would be joining a U.S. invasion force. While the Saudi proposal is a non-starter here in the U.S., they wouldn’t be able to fulfill their end of the bargain anyway: "

    " The Saudis don’t really have an expeditionary army tailored for extended combat in Syria. Even its brutal, faltering campaign to defeat Iran-backed rebels in Yemen has been largely limited to airstrikes. Its Royal Saudi Land Force, with an estimated strength of 175,000 troops, is designed to maintain order inside the kingdom, experts say.

    “The Saudi military is indeed heavily committed in Yemen, and its forces are not configured to allow for an intervention on the ground in Syria,” says a former senior U.S. diplomat in Saudi Arabia, who asked for anonymity because he now represents a major industry in the region. "

    " At most, the Saudis are “offering” to participate in a ground war in which U.S. forces would be doing the vast majority of the fighting, and even then they would not be able to contribute very much to the effort. The Saudis are “inviting” the U.S. to put our soldiers at risk to advance their goals in Syria because they can’t do it for themselves and probably wouldn’t even if they could. This should make clear that all of the candidate pledges to orchestrate the creation of a Sunni Arab army to fight ISIS are nonsense. Syria hawks have to pretend that a ground war in Syria wouldn’t be fought primarily by U.S. forces, because once it becomes clear that this is what will be required their preferred policy will be rejected. Considering how unwilling the Saudis have been to commit large numbers of ground forces to their appalling war in Yemen, it was never credible that they would be willing to do more than that in Syria. "

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    So there you have it , a trap to get the US to fight Assad for the benefit of the Salafists.
     
  16. MicroBrew

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    From the Saudi paper Al Arabiya Feb 12 - 2016
    Saudi Foreign Minister says key to defeating ISIS is to depose Assad.
    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...M-Objective-is-removal-of-Assad-in-Syria.html

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    Ofcourse we all knew when they say "fight ISIS" they mean fight Assad but here they admit to it openly.

    Now why would they admit it:

    * Well no one would buy their BS about fighting ISIS.

    * If they did end up going into Syria, they will fight Assad and then everyone will be asking them why they aren't fighting ISIS like they said . So as a pre-emptive strike against this criticism, the Saudis say upfront that Assad must be defeated to defeat ISIS. This way when they do go in and fight Assad, no one can accuse them of lying.

    The rationale that to defeat ISIS one must defeat Assad is like saying Iran must be defeated to defeat Saddam. ISIS is virulently anti Shia, and wants to genocide them. Assad is Shia. Assad and the Shia have the most to lose if ISIS wins and will be 2nd to none in their commitement to fight ISIS. Salafi rhetoric is more anti Shia than anti Israel.
     
  17. whougonnacall

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    The russians wont even own up to being there in the areas theyd be moving into...its like ukraine ie officaly no russians here
    If sa troops kill russians they can blame isis or rebels as well


    With russias new hybrid warfare idea and the concept of just bombing ur enemies and saying its someone else ' Its not fsa rebels its isis were hitting I swear'
    Theres as lotta wiggle room for fighting without admitting they are fighting
     
  18. MicroBrew

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    Except that in Syria the Russians are not hiding the fact that they are there.
     
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  20. ironwolf

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    Middle East is gonna Middle East. Send all the refugees that have left in the past 50 years back there and let all those ahitty Middle East countries bang it out there.
     

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