Sanders has been inspirational to me, when I needed it most

[VivaRevolution]

Hello War room,

I wanted to share my personal story with you. I am a highly political person. You could call me obsessive about politics.

How the political world is operating has a real effect on my personal emotions, and general attitude. I am very much a minority in this I am guessing.

I wanted to share with you all how much I needed Bernie Sanders positive message. How much I needed a message of radical change that was genuine. We can all recognize a focus group driven politician, whose opinions change as the public's opinion blows. Both parties have their share.

Whether you agree with Bernie's message, I believe all but a few, wouldn't challenge the idea that Bernie is anything other than authentic.

Bernie says something that I hear no other politician saying........."No one is going to fix this country for you! Bernie Sanders will not fix this country. The only thing that will fix this country, is if millions of Americans come together, and create a political revolution. It has been done before, it can be done again". NOTE: Paraphrasing

Take note, all other politicians are selling you that they are your savior. That the problem before, was that the other guy sucked, and they are amazing.

I wonder if we all underestimate the appeal this message might have with conservatives, that Bernie isn't promising to be your savoir, that Bernie is telling us all to pick ourselves up by our bootstraps, and pull this country up.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Sorry about the under construction note guys, accidentally submitted the thread when it was nothing but a title.

 

[speakhandsforme]

Did he come into your life when you needed him most?

 

[VivaRevolution]

Wonder if I just accidentally came up with the best response ever to the "free stuff" charge that is thrown at Bernie...........

"What is free, is sitting on your butt, waiting for someone to fix this country for you."

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

Don't hate




Its 2016!! God I wish we had a candidate as young and good looking as Justin Trudeau! He would out progressive The people over 60 and older anyday!

 

[VivaRevolution]

@SouthoftheAndes, from Canada, or are you just a big Trudeau fan?

 

[COTUR1@43]

Hello War room,

I wanted to share my personal story with you. I am a highly political person. You could call me obsessive about politics.

How the political world is operating has a real effect on my personal emotions, and general attitude. I am very much a minority in this I am guessing.

I wanted to share with you all how much I needed Bernie Sanders positive message. How much I needed a message of radical change that was genuine. We can all recognize a focus group driven politician, whose opinions change as the public's opinion blows. Both parties have their share.

Whether you agree with Bernie's message, I believe all but a few, wouldn't challenge the idea that Bernie is anything other than authentic.

Bernie says something that I hear no other politician saying........."No one is going to fix this country for you! Bernie Sanders will not fix this country. The only thing that will fix this country, is if millions of Americans come together, and create a political revolution. It has been done before, it can be done again". NOTE: Paraphrasing

Take note, all other politicians are selling you that they are your savior. That the problem before, was that the other guy sucked, and they are amazing.

I wonder if we all underestimate the appeal this message might have with conservatives, that Bernie isn't promising to be your savoir, that Bernie is telling us all to pick ourselves up by our bootstraps, and pull this country up.

[sarcasm] Yes, you may be on to something here because so many of the candidates on the Republican/conservative side are professing how free market capitalism is no good anymore and we should just embrace socialism.[sarcasm]

How is socialism pulling yourself up by your bootstraps? It is really the opposite.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

It's really easy to come across as genuine, likable, inspiring, and other warm/fuzzy positive adjectives when you're making unrealistic promises. People would love me, too, if I got up on stage and promised them they'd all be rich and peace would reign supreme on Earth, using my sophistry skills and a network of useful idiots in the media to convince them what I was saying was feasible.

Bernie is naive and so are his supporters. It's not surprising naive people feel inspired. But naivete is exposed to reality eventually. Then the sadness sets in. Sorry in advance. Bernie may not be a fraud but he's a quack.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Its 2016!! God I wish we had a candidate as young and good looking as Justin Trudeau! He would out progressive The people over 60 and older anyday!

Spoiler

Did he visit a Catholic Church? A Ukrainian Orthodox church? An Anglican one? A Jewish temple?

Of course not, Judeo-Christian values are SO last century and frankly, the Crusades and Israel's policies have rendered Christianity and Judaism completely tainted. Ew.

^ Thinks Monsieur Trudeau

 

[VivaRevolution]

It's really easy to come across as genuine, likable, inspiring, and other warm/fuzzy positive adjectives when you're making unrealistic promises. People would love me, too, if I got up on stage and promised them they'd all be rich and peace would reign supreme on Earth, using my sophistry skills and a network of useful idiots in the media to convince them what I was saying was feasible.

Bernie is naive and so are his supporters. It's not surprising naive people feel inspired. But naivete is exposed to reality eventually. Then the sadness sets in. Sorry in advance. Bernie may not be a fraud but he's a quack.

Hello Rex, could you please tell me where the other candidates are offering something different?

I don't hear anyone campaigning on keeping things the same.

It is my belief that what makes Sanders different, is that he doesn't tell you that you get to sit at home while this country gets fixed.

 

[VivaRevolution]

[sarcasm] Yes, you may be on to something here because so many of the candidates on the Republican/conservative side are professing how free market capitalism is no good anymore and we should just embrace socialism.[sarcasm]




How is socialism pulling yourself up by your bootstraps? It is really the opposite.

Hello COTUR1@43,

The only people to ever connect Sanders to socialism, are in the media, and the political establishment.

Socialism = government control or ownership of the markets. Dictionary definition

Can you point me to where Sanders has ever said anything of the sorts, or are you playing this fun little Orwellian game where we change the definitions of words, and pretend that Democratic socialism, which you will find in no dictionary, is somehow the same thing?

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Hello Rex, could you please tell me where the other candidates are offering something different?

I don't hear anyone campaigning on keeping things the same.

It is my belief that what makes Sanders different, is that he doesn't tell you that you get to sit at home while this country gets fixed.

Anyone can offer something different. I can offer a Rolls Royce in every driveway and open admission to Princeton for every student. Zero percent unemployment and world peace. Those things aren't going to happen. Neither are Bernie's utopian schemes. America isn't Denmark. It never will be.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Hello COTUR1@43,

The only people to ever connect Sanders to socialism, are in the media, and the political establishment.

Socialism = government control or ownership of the markets. Dictionary definition

Can you point me to where Sanders has ever said anything of the sorts, or are you playing this fun little Orwellian game where we change the definitions of words, and pretend that Democratic socialism, which you will find in no dictionary, is somehow the same thing?

Are you saying democratic socialism isn't found in dictionaries? Umm...

"A form of socialism pursued by democratic rather than autocratic or revolutionary means, especially by respecting a democratically elected legislature as the source of political change; (also more generally) moderate or centrist socialism."

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/democratic-socialism?q=democratic+socialism

Sanders is a self-proclaimed democratic socialist. Democratic socialism is, by definition, a form of socialism. Therefore, we can use very basic logic to conclude that Sanders is in fact a socialist. Sorry, you can't blame the anti-Bernie media for that one. Straight from the horse's mouth.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Anyone can offer something different. I can offer a Rolls Royce in every driveway and open admission to Princeton for every student. Zero percent unemployment and world peace. Those things aren't going to happen. Neither are Bernie's utopian schemes. America isn't Denmark. It never will be.

Well Rex, it has happened before when we transformed low income manufacturing jobs, into middle class manufacturing jobs. From the Farmer's Alliance, to the IWW our history is filled with stories of people who stood up, and organized, instead of waiting for their political messiah to save them.

Bernie offers his ideas as solutions. The great thing about a political revolution is that we the people get veto power, as it is the people power itself that effects the change.

 

[irish_thug]

Its 2016!! God I wish we had a candidate as young and good looking as Justin Trudeau! He would out progressive The people over 60 and older anyday!

You can have him, no reasonable offer refused.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Are you saying democratic socialism isn't found in dictionaries? Umm...

"A form of socialism pursued by democratic rather than autocratic or revolutionary means, especially by respecting a democratically elected legislature as the source of political change; (also more generally) moderate or centrist socialism."

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/democratic-socialism?q=democratic+socialism

Sanders is a self-proclaimed democratic socialist. Democratic socialism is, by definition, a form of socialism. Therefore, we can use very basic logic to conclude that Sanders is in fact a socialist. Sorry, you can't blame the anti-Bernie media for that one. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Rex, but the definition of Democratic socialism that you just gave is in complete contradiction to the pure definition of socialism. Partial ownership of the markets by the government is........wait for it........The United States of America.

Or perhaps you would like to argue the FED is a privately owned institution?

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Well Rex, it has happened before when we transformed low income manufacturing jobs, into middle class manufacturing jobs. From the Farmer's Alliance, to the IWW our history is filled with stories of people who stood up, and organized, instead of waiting for their political messiah to save them.

Bernie offers his ideas as solutions. The great thing about a political revolution is that we the people get veto power, as it is the people power itself that effects the change.

Utopianism is dangerous, HRG, and that is what Bernie is peddling to you. Luckily I don't believe enough Americans are gullible enough to fall for it.

Unfortunately the other option isn't good either, which is neocon and career liar Shillary. Oh well, thus is politics.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Rex, but the definition of Democratic socialism that you just gave is in complete contradiction to the pure definition of socialism. Partial ownership of the markets by the government is........wait for it........The United States of America.

Or perhaps you would like to argue the FED is a privately owned institution?

No it is not. Where is there a logical inconsistency in the definition Oxford gave? It makes no mention about ownership of the means of production, only about either the process by which socialism is achieved (democratic rather than revolutionary means) or about how "moderate or centrist" it is. The latter two terms are wishy-washy, but not logically incompatible with ownership of the means of production.

Sanders is a red. Fuck 'em.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Utopianism is dangerous, HRG, and that is what Bernie is peddling to you. Luckily I don't believe enough Americans are gullible enough to fall for it.

Unfortunately the other option isn't good either, which is neocon and career liar Shillary. Oh well, thus is politics.

Well if you want to call Americans standing together accomplishing great things utopian-ism, to each their own, but I call it inspirational.

 

[VivaRevolution]

No it is not. Where is there a logical inconsistency in the definition Oxford gave? It makes no mention about ownership of the means of production, only about either the process by which socialism is achieved (democratic rather than revolutionary means) or about how "moderate or centrist" it is. The latter two terms are wishy-washy, but not logically incompatible with ownership of the means of production.

Sanders is a red. Fuck 'em.

Rex, let's make this simple. Is partial ownership of the markets or means of production by the government socialism?

If it is, then we are a socialist country.

If it is not, then Democratic socialism, and socialism are not the same thing at all.