Samsung Is Going To Help AMD Level The Playing Field With Intel With 14nm Chip Tech.

[PEB]

In an interesting announcement Samsung is working with both Apple and AMD on next generation of 14nm 3D chip process technology. This will all but erase Intel's lead in this technology and help AMD remain competitive in laptop and notebook technology.

The other benefit for all of these companies is obviously AMD's advance chip designing technology in graphics and video as well as x86/ARM chip technology. This is a huge announcement between these companies. Intel has lately been able to outspend AMD on advance research in sub 20nm chip technology. TSMC who has been manufacturing chips for Apple and AMD has had problems moving to 20nm.

If Samsung signs on with AMD and Apple it will make a powerful combo that can plow the billions needed to move to smaller form factor technology. Its an expensive race I hear its like 4 billion dollars for Intel to move to 14nm technology. The benefit is lower power, higher clock speeds and smaller footprint meaning lower cost chips though R&D costs are outrageous.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-amd-qualcomm-apple-finfet,27808.html

 

[Troublesome10]

Moore's Law still going strong I see.

This is a pretty massive deal between three huge players. Interesting stuff.

 

[Count Zero]

Koreans doin' big thangs

 

[PEB]

Moore's Law still going strong I see.

This is a pretty massive deal between three huge players. Interesting stuff.

Yes it is you can almost feel the pressure on Intel at least with their new lower power chip line.

 

[Madmick]

This just goes to show how much Intel has everyone shitting their pants. I think it would be hilarious if they teamed up with Qualcomm & NVIDIA.

 

[bdreason]

It really benefits everyone (except Intel) if AMD stays competitive.

 

[Madmick]

It really benefits everyone (except Intel) if AMD stays competitive.

AMD already is competitive. They just have to work harder in the pricing department for it. I'm 100% pro-American companies. I'd root for Samsung and NVIDIA to fall LONG before I'd want that to happen to AMD.

 

[PEB]

This just goes to show how much Intel has everyone shitting their pants. I think it would be hilarious if they teamed up with Qualcomm & NVIDIA.

It sounds like Oualcomm is not interested they have their own 16nm process working and are moving possibly even beyond 14nm process. Qualcomm is a giant in its own right and has massively deep pockets to spend on making these chips. Oualcomm can spend 4 billion without even feeling it. Apple just does not want to get into the chip foundering business but wants to continue designing chips. As it is now Apple is in the screen manufacturing business and hates it I would imagine? The only reason why is because they could not insure 10's of millions of units they need each year unless they built them. Apple is in no rush to get into the chip manufacturing business unless there is no possibly way to avoid it. Companies are avoiding getting stuck like IBM with billions in chip making hardware going to waste.

 

[Madmick]

It sounds like Oualcomm is not interested they have their own 16nm process working and are moving possibly even beyond 14nm process. Qualcomm is a giant in its own right and has massively deep pockets to spend on making these chips. Oualcomm can spend 4 billion without even feeling it. Apple just does not want to get into the chip foundering business but wants to continue designing chips. As it is now Apple is in the screen manufacturing business and hates it I would imagine? The only reason why is because they could not insure 10's of millions of units they need each year unless they built them. Apple is in no rush to get into the chip manufacturing business unless there is no possibly way to avoid it. Companies are avoiding getting stuck like IBM with billions in chip making hardware going to waste.

I was being facetious, PEB.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Nothing more than Samsung and Apple looking to not get locked down to one chip maker.

Does Samsung and Apple even have a good R&D/QA employees for chip making?

 

[PEB]

Nothing more than Samsung and Apple looking to not get locked down to one chip maker.

Does Samsung and Apple even have a good R&D/QA employees for chip making?

Yes samsung has designed their own ARM chip Exynos SOC "System On Chip" it has done well but is not quite a good as snapdragon processor from Qualcomm. They likely hoping that AMD and ARM will work with them on their upcoming 64 bit ARM chip. The rumor is its going to have a larger amount of cache then Apple's A8 chip and going to run at a higher than 1.8 ghz clock speed of the A8. The A8 is a monster of a chip with over 2 billion transistors that make up the chip. Most of that area is devoted to the cache and the quad GPU cores. So if the Exynos is able to match or exceed the performance of the A8 that's pretty impressive.

http://www.dailytech.com/Samsung+Me...+2014+Galaxy+S5+128bit+Chips/article33796.htm

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...6-chip-is-a-2-billion-transistor-20nm-monster

 

[Madmick]

Nothing more than Samsung and Apple looking to not get locked down to one chip maker.

Does Samsung and Apple even have a good R&D/QA employees for chip making?

Apple's per-core performance utterly destroys every other mobile chip-maker in existence (including the new celebrity Tegra K1 processor from NVIDIA).

 

[Tachy]

Apple's per-core performance utterly destroys every other mobile chip-maker in existence (including the new celebrity Tegra K1 processor from NVIDIA).

Yea, love 'em or hate 'em, Apple has been ahead of the curve for a long time in tablet technology.

That said, jailbreaking is a MUST and really lets you play with what it can do.
I refuse to upgrade my IOS version until a jailbreak is available

Got my Shield today and played with it a bit.
Heat is not bad at all under a load and I should be able to make it better after I root it and tweak a few things.

Placement of the speakers are really nice, albeit not super loud and I can't find anything I don't like about aside from the mushy power button.

I'll run a few speed tests next to my 2nd gen ipad mini later this week and test it out.

 

[Madmick]

Yea, love 'em or hate 'em, Apple has been ahead of the curve for a long time in tablet technology.

That said, jailbreaking is a MUST and really lets you play with what it can do.
I refuse to upgrade my IOS version until a jailbreak is available

Got my Shield today and played with it a bit.
Heat is not bad at all under a load and I should be able to make it better after I root it and tweak a few things.

Placement of the speakers are really nice, albeit not super loud and I can't find anything I don't like about aside from the mushy power button.

I'll run a few speed tests next to my 2nd gen ipad mini later this week and test it out.

There's no way on earth I could actually own an iPhone/iPad without jailbreaking. I work on them routinely, but always one belonging to someone else. Oh, but allow me to clarify my comment on processor performance. The A8 chip is nowhere near the Tegra in terms of overall horsepower. It just wins the CPU battle in per-core performance. The reason is that Apple chips STILL only have two cores.

Apple has always trailed in overall CPU performance, so it astonished everyone when the A7 was obliterating the quad-core Snapdragon 600 in competitor's devices when the iPhone 5s released (ex. Galaxy S4). In fact, it held up to the Snapdragon 800 in the following wave. Where Apple has always shined in comparison was graphics capability. It wasn't abnormal for Apple to be tops there, so after discovering its unexpected excellence in CPU tests, no one was surprised that it utterly obliterated the Snapdragon 600 in graphics. In fact, it still held the edge over most Snapdragon 800 devices graphically.

The iPad Air contains the A7, but we'll use the A8 in the iPhone 6 Plus because that's what the upcoming iPad Air 2 will undoubtedly contain, and this latter tablet is a same-generation competitor against the HTC Nexus 9 and NVIDIA Shield (which both contain the Tegra K1).

Spoiler

Tested Chips and the Device Used to Benchmark Them
A8 Processor= iPhone 6 Plus (will be in iPad Air 2 when it releases)
NVIDIA Tegra K1= NVIDIA Shield
Benchmark Key:
Geekbench3= CPU Benchmark
GFXBench= Graphics Benchmark

These charts, in context, explain why Apple is so often more "snappy", and gamers are all too familiar because of the AMD vs. Intel dichotomy; even when the former has more total horsepower, often the latter does better because games/apps are not optimized for the greater number of cores, and Intel just ruins AMD in per-core performance. You can see that Apple is winning by a whopping 47% per core.

Nevertheless, for emulators, and generally speaking, I think you're way better off with the Tegra K1. The GPU they put on that chipset is just bonkers. Of course, there remains the fact that the iPad has WAY more games and always get development priority. The fact that Hearthstone has been out on the iPad since March, but isn't yet on Android is testament to how even the biggest developers are influenced by the revenue discrepancy.