Sam Alvey thinks the wave of missing weight is intentional on behalf of fighters..

IngaVovchanchyn said:
Are you aware that this is factually untrue?

Perhaps you think the repercussions are not tough enough, but that is a very different thing than saying there aren't any repercussions. Currently, fighters who miss weight cede a significant part of their purse to their opponent.
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It was a figure of speech. 20% is nothing if that means you're not completely depleted coming fight night AND going to be way bigger than your opponent most of the times. The fact that Till got the title shot proves that there's no sanction whatsoever for missing weight in the last few years.
 
Too many guys fighting in the wrong divisions. The LW division has the worst offenders imo...Vick, Tony, Khabib, Lee etc... All 4 of those guys walk around at 200lbs or more. I respect the fact they can make weight but damn man, fight a guy your own size.
 
gunsblazingmode said:
Khabib DOES cut even more, at very least is 35-40 lbs
Google his interviews and Volk Hans one,then comeback. It was mentioned many times
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he starts a camp that heavy. he loses a good deal of that weight through dieting and the additional training from a fight camp. that is dieting, not cutting. last week before the fight is when he cuts water (water loading/sodium manipulation/sauna). 10 - 15% of body weight

he's a big 155'er, on fight night his weight should be in the 175 - 180 range
 
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All they need to do is increase the penalty for missing weight to something substantial and the incidents will be cut down drastically. Once the knownthe repercussions are serious they will take it serious. Right now you can miss weight and get a title shot for it, of course people will try to get an advantage.
 
Why not?

If you miss weight and win, you can still have the next title shot.
 
MartiniSIDe said:
There's no repercussion if you miss weight so of course some of them will take advantage of it. I dont think they necessarily plan to miss weight but when they struggle at the end of those last 2-3 pounds, they choose the easy way out much more than before.

FFS Till got a title shot off a fight that he failed weight badly and arguably lost.
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faustian said:
Till is the most egregious example of this. Missing weight got him a title shot lol
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rjmbrd said:
Romero had nearly a month to make weight when he fought Rockhold. It wasn't 'short notice' like 10 days or some other extreme examples.

He knew 100% for at least two weeks prior he wasn't going to make it, if that was the plan, but kept it a secret or missed intentionally because the rules favor cheaters right now. Not having to cut to the actual weight gives you a huge advantage.

Considering Romero could miss weight and still be granted a title shot highlights how bad the system is right now. It makes a lot of sense to miss weight if you reap the same rewards with only a minor financial punishment.
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Exactly till and Romero both got title shots AFTER missing weight.

Shits got to stop.

List bought as catchweight, and no title shot until AFTER another win in division AT WEIGHT
 
cooks1 said:
How bout this. You don't make weight- You don't compete, and it is a DQ loss on your record.
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That’s fine for undercards and throw a replacement undercard fighter in there.

For main card boughts that fucks the fans over hard core.

Can you image buying tickets to watch a fight, hotels, flights etc.

A fighter misses by a pound and they cancel the fight, and move up some undercard WmMA fights to the main card and a WMMA fight is also now the main card fight?

I’d never go to another fight again.
 
All BS aside... making weight is no longer the sin that it was considered a few years ago..,

Just look at Darren Till...

The reality is that the fighters know what the score is, and make a calculated decision... in Till's case, he decided to miss, and give up his purse... but the message sent to the entire roster is pretty clear... while Dana's public persona may condemn it was unprofessional, he is not going to sanction a fighter, unless it is meets his own agenda.
 
McKenzie Dern vs Cooper is example of a fight that never should have happened!
Especially at 115 vs 123!
C'mon....7 fucking pounds!
Ridiculous to have that fight
 
90 50 said:
That’s fine for undercards and throw a replacement undercard fighter in there.

For main card boughts that fucks the fans over hard core.

Can you image buying tickets to watch a fight, hotels, flights etc.

A fighter misses by a pound and they cancel the fight, and move up some undercard WmMA fights to the main card and a WMMA fight is also now the main card fight?

I’d never go to another fight again.
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Meh..... That already happens. Main cards and co mains get cancelled, switched, scrubbed, and nixed as it is, for any number of reasons.. Shit-even entire events have been nixed.

If you really want to solve the problem, that's the way to do it. And the AC's need to do it, not the UFC.

If the UFC knew to a certainty that if someone missed weight they could not fight, people would be fighting up and cutting a fraction of what they do now.

90% of the UFC's athletes participated in some kind of amateur competitive endeavor before this with weight classes. And if they missed weight, they did not compete. Sometimes if there was room they could compete in a higher weight class. The only reason they do not do it in pro boxing and MMA is because the promoters don't want to take the risk.
 
rjmbrd said:
Romero had nearly a month to make weight when he fought Rockhold. It wasn't 'short notice' like 10 days or some other extreme examples.

He knew 100% for at least two weeks prior he wasn't going to make it, if that was the plan, but kept it a secret or missed intentionally because the rules favor cheaters right now. Not having to cut to the actual weight gives you a huge advantage.

Considering Romero could miss weight and still be granted a title shot highlights how bad the system is right now. It makes a lot of sense to miss weight if you reap the same rewards with only a minor financial punishment.
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You are crazy to think that. He had to cut weight, then after he missed he spent another two hours in the sauna, while Luke was already rehydrating, and he didn't lose any weight at all. Clearly his body shut down and started behaving differently. Before that he regularly made weight throughout his career like no big deal. vs Whittaker there was commission fuck up, disallowing him to cut weight like he supposed to, what made him be overweight by what? 100grams? You must be absolutely bonkers to think .2lbs is a big deal, especially when fighters in the past were allowed to fight since being less than 0.5 would approximate to the nearest pound. It is disgusting double standards.
 
legkicktko said:
On the UFC show, he just said that every fighter knows that for example, if you're trying to cut to 155 and you're a big guy, those last 1.5 - 3lbs of weight to cut are a killer on the cardio but also on your strength going into the fight. He says its been known for a long time but now we are seeing guys intentionally miss in order to have an advantage by not being as depleted as their opponent.

What are your thoughts? I agree 100%. I think it should not only be a 20% deduction, but a 50% deduction for missing weight and in addition, I think you should not be allowed to climb ranking at all after a win where you missed weight. The fight wasn't at the right weightclass because you missed, therefore, no gain in ranking. In my opinion.
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This is a dumb line of reasoning I see on here all the time.

Thing is, just because a guy makes weight doesn't mean they "suffered" more from the cut. For that to be true both guys would have to be the exact same size before cutting, and that's never the case.

Consider:

Guy A is 187lbs
Guy B is 193lbs

Guy A makes 170lbs
Guy B misses weight and comes in st 173lbs

Guy A cut 17lbs
Guy B cut 20lbs

Guy B didn't make weight despite a more grueling cut.

That happens ALL THE TIME... the guys who miss weight are the ones who are trying the most extreme cuts. The guy making weight almost always cuts less. The idea that a guy who cut less weight overall but managed to reach an arbitrary number is extra depleted and at a disadvantage because he cut more, even though he didn't, is completely retarded. Do you even math bro??
 
The weight cut should start the second you sign the contract, not the fucking week of the fight.
 
How can you argue with this smile? I love this guy.

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Fuck it, make it 70%. Most of the fighters who don't make weight win. Having them forfeit 50% is only their win bonus, cutting into their base pay would be a better deterrent imo.
 
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