Salon: Trump could win more easily than anyone thinks

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Surprisingly, a very good article from Salon on how Trump could steamroll Hillary as a result of all her attacks backfiring:

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/29/we_...has_an_easier_path_to_victory_than_you_think/

Losing the Culture Wars

Many Trump supporters may well be racist, xenophobic or misogynistic—but if the Democrats think that it will be a winning strategy to sling these kinds of labels at the Donald, then they are going to be in for a nasty surprise in November.

For one thing, Trump’s parochialism resonates with many more Americans than the mainstream media likes to believe or acknowledge (although their obsessive coverage of the Donald is an implicit recognition of this reality). This is true across the board: male and female, young and old, rich and poor, educated and uneducated, highly-intelligent or not, Democrat or Republican (this is particularly true for his anti-Muslim proposals). And his nationalistic economic and foreign policy message resonates even more broadly: a majority of Americans support his “America-first” approach. So if the Clinton camp attempts to disparage people who hold these kinds of views as ignorant and bigoted, they are going to be alienating far more voters than they can likely afford.

Exacerbating this trend is something I call “negative intersectionality”: progressives have done a great job framing racial inequality, feminism and LGBTQ rights as part of the same basic struggle. However, this association works both ways. Accusations of misogyny, for instance, are often heard in the context of a fundamentally anti-white, anti-Christian culture war—a zero-sum campaign waged against ordinary hard-working Americans by condescending and politically correct liberal elites. As a result, many conservative white women who may be disturbed by Trump’s remarks would simultaneously feel antipathy toward liberals when they encounter a pro-Clinton ad that highlights those comments. Some may even come to view Trump more sympathetically if Democrats attempt to paint him as anti-woman or anti-minority.

If Clinton thinks she can criticize Trump as a sexist without stirring up this broader resentment against liberals, she is in for a rude awakening. If she thinks there’s an alternative path to victory by largely writing off the white vote and leaning more heavily on the support of minorities, she’s probably wrong about that too: Clinton would simultaneously need massive turnout and near-unanimous support from minority groups to compensate for decreased support among white Americans. However, turnout has been low among Democrats in the primary. Moreover, Trump seems to be performing surprisingly well among minorities:

Mitt Romney only garnered 6 percent of the black vote in 2012. However, this election is shaping up to be more competitive: nearly one-tenth of African-Americans view the Donald positively, with another 15 percent undecided. If even half of the latter group ultimately sides with Trump, or simply stays home on Election Day, Clinton loses. For her to win, African-American participation needs to at least match 2012 turnout, and Clinton must win roughly 90 percent of the black vote. Right now, it’s looking like she might fail on both counts.

Perhaps more shocking: despite his anti-immigrant rhetoric, nearly one-quarter of Hispanics support Trump, with another 15 percent undecided—putting him on pace to possibly exceed Romney’s 2012 share (27 percent).

One reason to suspect these dynamics might hold: positive intersectionality. Trump’s ambivalence on gay marriage, his opposition to the so-called “Bathroom Bills” in North Carolina and elsewhere, his consistent praise for Planned Parenthood, his commitment to loosening the Republican platform on abortion, and his openness to legalizing marijuana (which would have a huge and positive impact on people of color)—these will counteract depictions of him as a xenophobe or bigot among those who view these struggles as interconnected. In fact, Trump’s unorthodox positions, when paired with the public’s record distrust of mainstream media, may lead many to believe he is being unfairly maligned in the press.
 
Seriously Space, it's a well known fact that Salon is a rampaging pro-Trump rag. Don't waste our time with this stuff.
 
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What the heck is Salon doing telling someone to take it easy on the racist/sexist/etc labeling? What is going on here?
 
I think some lefties are starting to realize their hateful rhetoric is not winning people to their side and is instead creating divisiveness and resentment. Lefties deserve a large portion of the blame for someone like Trump being as popular as he is. People are getting tired of the left's smug, sarcastic, self-righteous attitudes.

Recently, VOX, The New York Times and now Salon are telling their own side to cool it with the smug name-calling.
 
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What the heck is Salon doing telling someone to take it easy on the racist/sexist/etc labeling? What is going on here?

This wasn't apart of the plan was it?! The globalists are trying to troll you. Psychological warfare!
 
Still can't get behind Salon because of this garbage.

I'm no fan of Salon at all, but that's not the point; the Overton window has shifted thanks to Teflon Don. All the attacks from the Left have failed on him (racist, Islamaphobe, sexist), and now they are beginning to retreat.

Until now they have been brazen because people have let them. However, they are powerless before Trump, and they're coming to their senses in the fear of what might happen next. They are terrified of Trump and all he stands for.

Trump hasn't even become president yet and he's already making America a better place by winning the culture war.
 
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trump has a chance for one obvious reason....he has VERY enthusiastic followers. hillary has people who will vote for her because she is the democrat available. a rabid fanbase will turn out. will an apathetic one? basically, most of her votes will be from people just voting against trump
 
I agree. As one of the only Hillary supporters in the War Room. I hope that she and the DNC try and be more inclusive to white Americans and white males. If they don't then it is possible for Trump to win by locking up the vote of 'moderates', and former Bernie fans. Trump's demise is also dependent on him not winning the vote from enough conservative white women. But if they all vote for him then it aides him.

As it stands I don't even think the DNC is winning the black male vote. I swear to god every black guy I have met likes Trump. Black women are a lock for Hillary though but aren't enough to win the entire election.

The key to beating Trump is to break his biggest voting block. Reason can appeal to some of them or away some. Surely not all but some. And that isn't even mentioning the some 30% of Bernie fans who claim to favor Trump for some absurd reason over Hillary.
 
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YES! Good news!

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We are turning them to the Dark Side.
 
The key to beating Trump is to break his biggest voting block. Reason can appeal to some of them or away some. Surely not all but some. And that isn't evendors mentioning the some 30% of Bernie fans who claim to favor Trump for some absurd reason over Hillary.

It's not absurd; Trump stands closer to Bernie than he does to Hillary.

Per the Atlantic on the similarities between Trump and Bernie:
"There’s no getting around the fact that Trump and Sanders have a lot in common. Maybe liberals ought to just embrace it."

http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/01/what-bernie-sanders-and-donald-trump-have-in-common/422907/
 
I agree. As one of the only Hillary supporters in the War Room. I hope that she and the DNC try and be more inclusive to white Americans and white males. If they don't then it is possible for Trump to win by locking up the vote of 'moderates', and former Bernie fans. Trump's demise is also dependent on him not winning the vote from enough conservative white women. But if they all vote for him then it aides him.

As it stands I don't even think the DNC is winning the black male vote. I swear to god every black guy I have met likes Trump. Black women are a lock for Hillary though but aren't enough to win the entire election.

The key to beating Trump is to break his biggest voting block. Reason can appeal to some of them or away some. Surely not all but some. And that isn't even mentioning the some 30% of Bernie fans who claim to favor Trump for some absurd reason over Hillary.

In what ways could/should Hillary be more inclusive to white males?
 
I know people who hated Trump but are now either going to vote for him or at least are considering voting for him, and one of the main things that turned them into Trump's favor is the behavior of the anti-Trump protesters.
 
I know people who hated Trump but are now either going to vote for him or at least are considering voting for him, and one of the main things that turned them into Trump's favor is the behavior of the anti-Trump protesters.

you mean a bunch of dipshits flying mexican flags while protesting american politics turns off some people?
 
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