Sad state of Muay Thai in MMA

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  1. CPH

    CPH Let's party

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    I understand the 'jack of all trades, master of none' logic but how can the basic MT skills of the average MMA fighter be so poor? How is it possible that two MMA fighters can trade low kicks for three rounds while not checking a single one.

    I'm going to single out Kowalkiewicz vs Namajunas as a recent example but you can also apply this to 95% of the men's fights. Ex: how the fuck does a guy like Cote, who has been training at Sityodthong for 8(?) years not know how to check a low kick?

    Also: what is with MMA fighters trying to punch their way out of the clinch while the opponent is raping them with knees (again, refer to Kowalkiewicz/Namajunas). I thought we settled this 'what if' scenario in the 80s?

    Etc., etc., etc.......

    What is the problem here? Are there really no legit MT coaches at MMA gyms? How can even generalist striking trainers not be aware of the importance of this stuff?

    And don't give me the 'but TDs/MMA stance/MMA distance' cliche. There are MMA fighters who show some knowledge of basic MT concepts - we actually saw one at work last night: Masvidal. Hell: even Nate showed pretty good checks vs Johnson.
     
  2. RexChapmanFan

    RexChapmanFan Green Belt

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    I've wondered the same thing. I'm not sure this is just a recent phenomenon in MMA, though. I still find it odd that Rich Franklin was so helpless in Anderson Silva's MT clinch, for example. Really, you can't find any way out of it and you fight at that level?

    (Though Silva's being on roids was a significant factor there, in my view.)
     
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  3. Jimmy jump

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    Maybe they are so conditioned to it they can take a million and one leg kicks without it affecting them?
     
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    My guess is there are so many things to think about in an MMA fight that it's hard to focus on strictly MT techniques. So you're thinking about takedowns, feints, boxing techniques, and everything else. Makes leg kicks harder to react to.
     
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    I think most fighters prefer to train boxing with some basic kicks at this point. Mma is more offensive minded in the first place so i stead of checking most guys prefer to try and counter. I could be wrong though
     
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    MMA needs more crossover specialists. Now more than ever.
     
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  7. Ham Socks

    Ham Socks Professional Fighter

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    What are you talking about? Tyrannosaurus woodley used textbook muay thai to take lawler out of his game and showcase his vaunted ko power.
     
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    Sorry but this makes no sense.

    Even if we're talking proverbial 'baby kicks' a la Frankie Edgar. Not checking, or catching or sliding out of the way of a single low kick equals a lot of free points for your opponent. Yes low kicks score and win plenty of decisions.

    Also: MT is a lot more than just throwing and checking low kicks. Why do so few fighter use standing elbows correctly? How is it that hardly anyone knows how to use a teep? Etc. etc........
     
  9. MayhemMonkey

    MayhemMonkey Is it just me, or is it getting crazier out there?

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    yeah, the level of Muay Thai in MMA has dropped over the last couple of years. it seems like its not as important to some nowadays, but it still has some basic principles like checking kicks that are fundamental to defense in MMA imo
     
  10. MayhemMonkey

    MayhemMonkey Is it just me, or is it getting crazier out there?

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    no-one should be able to take a million and one properly thrown legkicks
     
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  11. Project 86

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    rick story has the best defense to a muay thai clinch
     
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  12. Jimmy jump

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    Your point wasn't about points scoring. It was about not checking the kicks i.e technique. Don't change the point of your argument.
     
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  13. Jimmy jump

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    OK Captain Literal
     
  14. MayhemMonkey

    MayhemMonkey Is it just me, or is it getting crazier out there?

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    I was just playing with what you said lol, but in reality they should barely even be able to take more than a couple good legkicks
     
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    If a person has been training/fighting the top Muay Thai practitioners all their lives then you'd think they'd be used to taking heavy leg kicks. They then come to MMA and are taking kicks from people who probably don't know how to kick properly compared to the monsters they've fought up to that point.
     
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    Amazing Muay Thai.
     
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    Benoitthegr8 Bum Life Practitioner Platinum Member

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    What about Wedum vs. Velasquez, Cain looked befuddled at what to do when Fabrcio had him clinched, his head looked like it locked up and he couldn't move his neck.
     
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  18. MayhemMonkey

    MayhemMonkey Is it just me, or is it getting crazier out there?

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    yeah but those guys are not the norm in MMA, granted people like that would be conditioned better to take them, but even then..... they arent conditioned to take properly thrown ones from say Edson Barboza..... they kicks need to be checked lol
     
  19. Jimmy jump

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    I completely agree with you but was just throwing an alternative suggestion to answer TS' OP.
     
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  20. Frode Falch

    Frode Falch Gold Belt Professional Fighter

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    I hear you man. I was watching thiago alves fights from his early UFC days. Yesterday i watched Anderson silvas run in Cage rage. And i almost feel like the muay thai skill level in MMA have declined the later years..
     
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