The thread got deleted, so I couldn't reply to questions. First off, I enjoyed the PA dutch pun, thanks for that Now to the facts. We each train out of an MMA gym. Marcus is not a dutch kber. He watches it and enjoys the style. He is trying to learn it himself (to not much avail, IMO). I respect most people on the forum (of course excluding payak and Kylepulley). Couldn't we get an ounce of respect in return? I have jokes. Or gay pick up lines. Semantics.