Russians and Jedis - Do you buy it?

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...N1MC2TU?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social

A study by University of Southern California (USC) research fellow Morten Bay, released on Monday, analyzed the language, Twitter handles and IP addresses of more than 1,200 tweets sent to “Last Jedi” director Rian Johnson’s Twitter handle in the seven months after the film’s release.

“Overall, 50.9 percent of those tweeting negatively was likely politically motivated or not even human,” Bay wrote.

“A number of these users appear to be Russian trolls,” Bay added in the paper, called “Weaponizing the Haters: The Last Jedi and the strategic politicization of pop culture through social media manipulation.”

i havent looked at the fine details of how this study came to these conclusions, but maybe some of you will. do you buy it? how common do we suppose this is?

inb4 "the US does it too, so why are you complaining?"
 
Well Putin does look like Snoke , so yes I completely buy it .
 
I find it very non-inclusive and toxic to refer to these bots as not human.

#NonBinaryBots
 
the brief description of the research methods used sounds plausible. should i dismiss them outright?

Yes because to indulge just fuels this Russian hysteria gripping our country right now. Movie reviews?? Even if these are troll bots from Russia you know what they say about trolls...
 
Yes because to indulge just fuels this Russian hysteria gripping our country right now.

so because it may fuel some alleged hysteria, we should dismiss it?

Movie reviews?? Even if these are troll bots from Russia you know what they say about trolls...

was it not a successful wedge issue? if the goal of russian trolls is to create dissent and division in our country, did they not succeed, with something as innocuous seeming as a star wars movie? there was a silly shitstorm that blew in over "SJW disney" for several weeks about the movie was there not?
 
Bots and troll farms run rampant on Twitter and comment sections from news sites to Facebook to Reddit.

Although the belief that it's somehow a Russia-only tactic is insane. Or even that it's relegated only to governments- companies absolutely flood competitor's sites with this garbage too.

Anonymity on the internet is very important but this is a consequence to that. It makes me consider that perhaps the internet can mimick real life by forcing some designated 'public areas' accessible by those only with verified or public identities- like an airport or when driving a car. Slippery slope though so it'd have to be done carefully.
 
Yeah, nope.

The Russian bots are basically starting to turn into the modern-day version of the "Red Scare" now.

"It was the Commies, I swear!"
 
Bots and troll farms run rampant on Twitter and comment sections from news sites to Facebook to Reddit.

Although the belief that it's somehow a Russia-only tactic is insane. Or even that it's relegated only to governments- companies absolutely flood competitor's sites with this garbage too.

Anonymity on the internet is very important but this is a consequence to that. It makes me consider that perhaps the internet can mimick real life by forcing some designated 'public areas' accessible by those only with verified or public identities- like an airport or when driving a car. Slippery slope though so it'd have to be done carefully.

all true.

its impossible to know, but it would be interesting to know how big of an effort russia makes in these activities compared to others.
 
Here's the abstract:
Political discourse on social media is seen by many as polarized, vitriolic and permeated by falsehoods and misinformation. Political operators have exploited all of these aspects of the discourse for strategic purposes, most famously during the Russian social media influence campaign during the 2016 Presidential election in the United States and current, similar efforts targeting the U.S. elections in 2018 and 2020. The results of the social media study presented in this paper presents evidence that political influence through manipulation of social media discussions is no longer exclusive to political debate but can now also be found in pop culture. Specifically, this study examines a collection of tweets relating to a much-publicized fan dispute over the Star Wars franchise film Episode VIII: The Last Jedi. The study finds evidence of deliberate, organized political influence measures disguised as fan arguments. The likely objective of these measures is increasing media coverage of the fandom conflict, thereby adding to and further propagating a narrative of widespread discord and dysfunction in American society. Persuading voters of this narrative remains a strategic goal for the U.S. alt-right movement, as well as the Russian Federation. The results of the study show that among those who address The Last Jedi director Rian Johnson directly on Twitter to express their dissatisfaction, more than half are bots, trolls/sock puppets or political activists using the debate to propagate political messages supporting extreme right-wing causes and the discrimination of gender, race or sexuality. A number of these users appear to be Russian trolls. The paper concludes that while it is only a minority of Twitter accounts that tweet negatively about The Last Jedi, organized attempts at politicizing the pop culture discourse on social media for strategic purposes are significant enough that users should be made aware of these measures, so they can act accordingly.

(PDF) Weaponizing the haters: The Last Jedi and the strategic politicization of pop culture through social media manipulation.
. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public...pop_culture_through_social_media_manipulation [accessed Oct 03 2018].

No, half of The Last Jedi haters were not Russian trolls
Commentary: Numerous reports say The Last Jedi negativity was influenced by Russian bots and trolls, but the reality is far different.
If you've spent any time online, you've no doubt heard the news: Research shows that a huge majority of fan hostility toward the oft-maligned The Last Jediwas the work of Russian bots and trolls.

In this day and age, embroiled as we are in the "culture wars", it's tempting to take this news at face value. To scream voicelessly into the social media void.

But when you break down the numbers and look deeper, the reality is stunningly different: Star Wars does not have a Russian troll problem and the fan backlash is far more complex than the reports might have you believe.

https://www.cnet.com/news/actually-half-of-the-last-jedi-haters-were-not-russian-trolls/
 
Yeah, nope.

The Russian bots are basically starting to turn into the modern-day version of the "Red Scare" now.

"It was the Commies, I swear!"

maybe.

but just claiming this like you and @TheComebackKid are doing does not debunk the specific claims made in the OP's article, or others like it.
 
Yeah, nope.

The Russian bots are basically starting to turn into the modern-day version of the "Red Scare" now.

"It was the Commies, I swear!"
Indeed! Prior to the election, media wrote in a frenzy about the Russian interference in the Swedish election but when the Swedish Democrats didn't receive as many votes as the polls suggested, that narrative evaporated into the thin air...
 
Does it really matter who called it a shit movie? I mean after all, it WAS a shit movie. Outside of any social commentary issues one may or may not have perceived in it, it really wasn't much more than a rehash / retelling of many of the elements of the previous movies.
 
maybe.

but just claiming this like you and @TheComebackKid are doing does not debunk the specific claims made in the OP's article, or others like it.

The claims were already debunked by the original author of the study so I don´t feel the need.

Bay is "moderately disappointed in some of the major media brands" that ran articles without taking the time to get a little deeper. He understands that some of his findings were buried because they produce a less enticing lede than "Russian Troll Army invading the Star Wars galaxy."

That's just not what his research suggests.

"The suspected Russian trolls are so few that it is basically the normal amount of Russian trolls you would expect to be present in a high-profile online debate."
 
I thought that the political angle was obvious.

Bots and trolls? Wouldn't surprise me. Most of social media isn't real. I think anyone who spends a lot of time here can intrinsically grasp that. We have lots of good posters and several trolls/gimmicks. The trolls and gimmicks drive as much of the conversation, if not more, than the normal posters.

And, for the underlying platform, the goal is traffic with little interest in how it is generated. Conflict and grievance drives traffic to a greater degree than agreement. So, those interested in amplifying their message have a motivation to frame within the context of a conflict.

Russian trolls? I think we've reached the point, based on news stories regarding the world at large, not just the US, where Russia's use of social media to manipulate public discourse in the West should be assumed.
 
all true.

its impossible to know, but it would be interesting to know how big of an effort russia makes in these activities compared to others.
Obviously shooting from the hip here but anyway-

Honestly probably not significantly more or less than any others who do it. Misinformation and disinformation through the internet is just too easy and too powerful for major countries to not utilize.

Relatively cheap too when you consider it only takes maybe a dozen or so people to troll hundreds of accounts on Reddit, for example, with the potential to influence tens of thousands or more.
 
Sure, but I don't think it really matters. The movie sucked and I don't need Russian bots to tell me that
 
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