International Russia To Build Their Own Orbital Outpost After Leaving The International Space Station

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The ISS was previously scheduled to operate until 2024, and most of the space agencies involved (U.S, Europe, Japan, Canada) wanted to extend its operation until the end of the decade, but the bureaucrat newly-appointed to run Roscosmos just announced that Russia wanted to drop out ostensively to build their own orbital station.

It will be interesting to see what happen next, since the ISS was deliberately designed in a way that require cooperation from both sides for it to survive: the American half provides all the power it needs to function, and the Russian half provides all the propulsion it needs to stay in orbit.

More importantly, are we going to see another Space Race in the future? :cool:

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Russia to drop out of International Space Station after 2024
By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV | July 26, 2022​



MOSCOW (AP) — Russia will pull out of the International Space Station after 2024 and focus on building its own orbiting outpost, the country’s new space chief said Tuesday amid high tensions between Moscow and the West over the fighting in Ukraine.

Yuri Borisov, appointed this month to lead the state space agency, Roscosmos, said during a meeting with President Vladimir Putin that Russia will fulfill its obligations to its partners before it leaves.

“The decision to leave the station after 2024 has been made,” Borisov said, adding: “I think that by that time we will start forming a Russian orbiting station.”

Borisov’s statement reaffirmed previous declarations by Russian space officials about Moscow’s intention to leave the space station after 2024 when the current international arrangements for its operation end.

NASA and other international partners hope to keep the space station running until 2030, while the Russians have been reluctant to make commitments beyond 2024.

The space station is jointly run by the space agencies of Russia, the U.S., Europe, Japan and Canada. The first piece was put in orbit in 1998, and the outpost has been continuously inhabited for nearly 22 years. It is used to conduct scientific research in zero gravity and test out equipment for future space journeys.

It typically has a crew of seven, who spend months at a time aboard the station as it orbits about 250 miles from Earth. Three Russians, three Americans and one Italian are now on board.

The complex, which is about as long as a football field, consists of two main sections, one run by Russia, the other by the U.S. and the other countries. It was not immediately clear what will have to be done to the Russian side of the complex to continue safely operating the space station once Moscow pulls out.

The Russian announcement is certain to stir speculation that it is part of Moscow’s maneuvering to win relief from Western sanctions over the conflict in Ukraine.

Borisov’s predecessor, Dmitry Rogozin, said last month that Moscow could take part in negotiations about a possible extension of the station’s operations only if the U.S. lifts its sanctions against Russian space industries.

With Elon Musk’s SpaceX company now flying NASA astronauts to and from the space station, the Russian Space Agency lost a major source of income. For years, NASA had been paying tens of millions of dollars per seat for rides to and from the station aboard Russian rockets.

Despite the tensions over Ukraine, NASA and Roscosmos struck a deal earlier this month for astronauts to continue riding Russian rockets and for Russian cosmonauts to catch lifts to the space station with SpaceX beginning this fall. But the flights will involve no exchange of money.

The agreement ensures that the space station will always have at least one American and one Russian on board to keep both sides of the outpost running smoothly, according to NASA and Russian officials.

Moscow and Washington cooperated in space even at the height of the Cold War, when Apollo and Soyuz spacecraft docked in orbit in 1975 in the first crewed international space mission, helping improve U.S.-Soviet relations.

NASA has been working with U.S. companies on establishing their own private space stations to eventually replace the International Space Station. NASA hopes that these commercial space stations will be up and running by the end of the decade.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...ac3189acbdbc140?taid=62dfdb1ebfc7520001f48228
 
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Russia to pull out of International Space Station
By Ben Tobias | BBC News

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Russia says it will withdraw from the International Space Station (ISS) after 2024 and build its own station instead.

The new head of Russia's space agency, Yuri Borisov, said Roskosmos would honour all its obligations until then.

The US and Russia, along with other partners, have successfully worked together on the ISS since 1998.

But relations have soured since Russia invaded Ukraine, and Russia previously threatened to quit the project because of Western sanctions against it.

The ISS - a joint project involving five space agencies - has been in orbit around Earth since 1998 and has been used to conduct thousands of scientific experiments.

It is approved to operate until 2024, but the US wants to extend that for six more years with the agreement of all partners.

At a meeting with Russia's President Vladimir Putin, Mr Borisov said the decision had been taken to quit the project after 2024.

"I think that by this time we will start putting together a Russian orbital station," Mr Borisov said, adding that the new station was his agency's top priority.

"Good," replied Mr Putin.

It is not immediately clear what the decision means for the future of the ISS, with a senior Nasa official telling Reuters that the US agency had not been officially informed of Russia's plans.

The Russians have been making noises about withdrawal for some time but it's not clear how serious they are.

They've talked about building their own outpost - the Russian Orbital Service Station - but it would require a financial commitment the Russian government has not shown to the country's existing space exploits.

Certainly, Russian elements on the ISS are ageing but the view of engineers is that the modules can do a job through to 2030.

If Russia does leave, there's no question it would be problematic. The station is designed in a way that makes the partners dependent on each other.

The US side of the ISS provides the power; the Russian side provides the propulsion and keeps the platform from falling to Earth.

If that propulsive capability is withdrawn, the US and its other partners - Europe, Japan and Canada - will need to devise other means of periodically boosting the station higher in the sky. It's something American robotic freighters could do.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62308069
 
im far from knowledgeable on the subject but i thought the space station and russian flights to and from were a good source of income for russia. If that's still the case this would be really dumb. remove an income stream and add another expensive project.

In 1970 ies they had idea to install nukes in satellite and if there will be war, to use them ....
Stuff was expensive to reasearch for projects....
Like moon project earlier....
 
im far from knowledgeable on the subject but i thought the space station and russian flights to and from were a good source of income for russia. If that's still the case this would be really dumb. remove an income stream and add another expensive project.

Russia is not making anymore money ever since NASA contracted Space X to provide transport to the ISS. This is literally addressed in the article referenced in the OP:

With Elon Musk’s SpaceX company now flying NASA astronauts to and from the space station, the Russian Space Agency lost a major source of income. For years, NASA had been paying tens of millions of dollars per seat for rides to and from the station aboard Russian rockets.

I would recommend that everyone read it again, or for the first time if you haven't yet. :)
 
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im far from knowledgeable on the subject but i thought the space station and russian flights to and from were a good source of income for russia. If that's still the case this would be really dumb. remove an income stream and add another expensive project.
The admin just signed a new deal to resume flights with Russia. Pretty odd to ask Russia for a ride when we have our own thats much cheaper.
Why would the admin do this when they're also putting on sanctions?
 
The admin just signed a new deal to resume flights with Russia. Pretty odd to ask Russia for a ride when we have our own thats much cheaper.
Why would the admin do this when they're also putting on sanctions?

You brain-rot WR partisan drones need to read the fucking thread and stop asking dumb-ass questions.

The spirit of cooperation between scientists is the reason why despite all the bullshit caused by the politicians, NASA and Roscosmos are still planning joint missions where Russian cosmonauts and American astronauts are flying up to the ISS together, sometimes via Soyuz rockets, others by SpaceX vehicles.

No one is asking anyone for a ride, nor does anyone pay anyone for the flights that they takes turn flying, because these are joint missions.

NASA said that astronaut Frank Rubio would fly with two Russian cosmonauts on a Soyuz rocket scheduled to launch on September 21 from Kazakhstan, with another astronaut, Loral O'Hara, taking another mission in early 2023.

In a first, Russian cosmonauts will join NASA astronauts on SpaceX's new Crew-5 which will launch in September from Florida with a Japanese astronaut also on the mission.

Another joint mission on the SpaceX Crew-6 will fly out in early 2023, NASA said.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...ternational-space-station-flights-with-russia

Joint missions actually makes perfect sense, because if either the American astronauts or Russian cosmonauts can't get on the ISS on time for any reasons, the station is fucked.

Furthermore, this agreement assures that in the event that each country's preferred primary mode of space transport is somehow unvailable for a scheduled launch, their crew can still hitch a ride (for free) with the other, and the ISS can still remains in operation.

The station is designed in a way that makes the partners dependent on each other.

The US side of the ISS provides the power; the Russian side provides the propulsion and keeps the platform from falling to Earth.
Despite the tensions over Ukraine, NASA and Roscosmos struck a deal earlier this month for astronauts to continue riding Russian rockets and for Russian cosmonauts to catch lifts to the space station with SpaceX beginning this fall. But the flights will involve no exchange of money.

The agreement ensures that the space station will always have at least one American and one Russian on board to keep both sides of the outpost running smoothly, according to NASA and Russian officials.

That's why NASA and Roscosmos agreed to fly together, with no money involved.

Tell me, how is any of that too complicate to understand if you have at least a high school-level reading-comprehension capability? o_O
 
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You brain-rot WR partisan drones need to read the fucking thread and stop asking dumb-ass questions.

No one is asking anyone for a ride. It's a mutually-agreed back up plan, just in case each country's preferred primary mode of transport is somehow unvailable for a scheduled launch, that way the ISS can remain in operation.

If the American astronauts can't get on the ISS on time, the station has zero power since it's provided solely by the American module. If the Russian cosmonauts can't get on the ISS on time, the station has zero propulsion since it's provided solely by the Russian module.

In either scenario, the station is fucked. That's why NASA and Roscosmos ageeed to let each other hitch-hike on their ride if necessary, with no money involved.




Tell me, how is any of that too complicate to understand if you have at least the reading-comprehension skill at the highschool level? o_O
Again, we have spaceX. Why are they acting like we NEED Russia?
https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...ternational-space-station-flights-with-russia
 

How the fuck do you read an article about joint missions and came to that dumb-ass conclusion? If this is the limit of your abilities, please go back to school and learn how to read before stepping into my threads again. o_O

NASA said that astronaut Frank Rubio would fly with two Russian cosmonauts on a Soyuz rocket scheduled to launch on September 21 from Kazakhstan, with another astronaut, Loral O'Hara, taking another mission in early 2023.

In a first, Russian cosmonauts will join NASA astronauts on SpaceX's new Crew-5 which will launch in September from Florida with a Japanese astronaut also on the mission.

Another joint mission on the SpaceX Crew-6 will fly out in early 2023, NASA said.

It must be extremely frustrating to be a Russian scientist right now, who wants to continue cooperating with NASA and everyone else on an international project while the partisan fucks back in Moscow are also screaming as to why they needs the U.S.

Brain-dead zombies, all of you.
 
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How the fuck do you read an article about joint missions and came to that dumb-ass conclusion? If this is the limit of your abilities, please go back to school and learn how to read before stepping into my threads again. o_O



It must be extremely frustrating to be a Russian scientist right now, who wants to continue cooperating with NASA and everyone else on an international project while the partisan fucks back in Moscow are also screaming as to why they needs the U.S.

Brain-dead zombies, all of you.
Lol this guy! I'm not even going to argue with you. Like I said we have spaceX. If they want a ride they can come here.
 
One space station that we all used and maintained and upkept was very good for international relations, especially during the Cold War as the one article states.

I can't imagine it will be good to have competing space stations, and more junk floating around the planet. But I suppose that's what the Space Force is for.

But then again, maybe the Space Race 2.0 will usher in an even greater technological revolution.

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I believe America has the ability to override all of Russia's control anyways. I think Russia leaving the team probably hurts them more than anyone else.
 
Do they have the technology to do this?

I know lots have been said about how much of their natural resources Russia has still been able to export while still under sanctions.

However, to pull off a tech feat like this, they certainly will have to import lots of stuff. Do they have the ability to get their hands on enough tech to build their own space station?
 
You brain-rot WR partisan drones need to read the fucking thread and stop asking dumb-ass questions.

No one is asking anyone for a ride, nor is there any money changing hands in the joint missions.

It's a mutually-agreed plan, just in case each country's preferred primary mode of transport is somehow unvailable for a scheduled launch, that way the ISS can remain in operation.

This is also why despite all the bullshit caused by the politicians, NASA and Roscosmos are still planning joint missions where Russian cosmonauts and American astronauts actually are flying up to the ISS together, sometimes via Soyuz rockets, others by SpaceX.



Joint missions actually makes perfect sence, because if either the American astronauts or Russian cosmonauts can't get on the ISS on time, the station is fucked. That's why NASA and Roscosmos agreed to fly together, with no money involved.




Tell me, how is any of that too complicate to understand if you have at least the reading-comprehension skill at the highschool level? o_O

Cooperation is great.



What happens is profitable. Russia delivers
 
Own station stuff is bs, they'll leave the ISS and use those rockets to go full ISIS mode.
 
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