Russia before soviet union era?

[Ogata]

Sure, and Venezuela's troubles stem from the fact they also have no natural resources ...except for having the largest proven oil deposits on the planet. The old USSR? Over 21% of the planet's energy resources (oil, gas, coal etc). Look to more socioeconomic issues. Oh, and there was also that thing with the gulags, famine, ethnic cleansing and over a million political executions. Some prosperity ...

Look man from what I have been told, it said that Russia has rich natural resources but it has problem with extraction of said resources.

Iran doesn't have a harsh climate which makes it easier to extract.

 

[Ogata]

"A land with no real resources"


Please, continue...

What i meant by "No real resources" as was told to me in respect to difficulty extracting it to the hellish climate that gets in the way.

 

[Cole train]

Look man from what I have been told, it said that Russia has rich natural resources but it has problem with extraction of said resources.

Iran doesn't have a harsh climate which makes it easier to extract.

It doesnt have problems extracting it

Its because oligarchs steal the profits for themselfs which creates riduculous income differences

Average guy barely survives while oligarch kids live like this

 

[Ogata]

It doesnt have problems extracting it

Its because oligarchs steal the profits for themselfs

It's confusing to know what the deal is. I mean they sure do steal the profits for themselves but tons of articles about extraction:

 

[Cole train]

It's confusing to know what the deal is. I mean they sure do steal the profits for themselves but tons of articles about extraction:
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If they wanted to they could do better easily

Btw people doing the camp work in these resource places are usually people who have no choice.

Horrible way of life those guys have

You might sleep in a container with no proper heating with 6 other people and no toilet except a hole workers have digged into ground and you are payed about 500 dollars a month

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Fascism, Communism, and Socialism all funnel too much power to the government while leaving the door wide open for a cult of personality to step thru and ruin entire populations lives for generations. They are all terrible forms of government.

 

[PG29 red0 Jr]

What the hell kind of commie thread is this?

Soviet union did bring prosperity in a land with no real resources by being industrialist.

Russia is a land with immense natural resources and has an average income lower than Mexico.

 

[Willie]

Stalin starved Ukraine in the most awful famine the Soviet Union had ever seen, all this to feed mother russia. Yep, prosperity...

 

[shunyata]

See I am a bit confused. Some say it was the worse thing that happened to Russia and others say that it created prosperity.

I am trying to educate myself and at this point I have no real opinion on the matter.

You're repeating party propaganda.

The industrialization of the USSR was done hastily, shoddily, and paid for in the blood of workers and anyone unfortunate enough to be labeled a dissident.

Russia is and was extremely rich in natural resources, prior to the revolution however much of it's land mass was poor on infrastructure.

The USSR did not enrich Russia as a nation, it enriched the party, though it did help to improve "modern" infrastructure as a necessity to support the booming military, energy, and mining sectors.

It was extremely corrupt and the communist party oversaw extreme inequality due to the powerful and wealthy sucking up money and resources as they saw fit instead of working to efficiently feed the nation.

Mao says ‘hello’


But yeah, that whole communism thing. Just bad

To be fair, Mao and Stalin both oversaw fascist dictatorships but enthusiastically engaged in LARPing where they pretended to be communist.

 

[Cole train]

Random fact

My family was declared an enemy of the state during cccp

 

[bigkick]

Thanks man!

I am in a business of finding the best ingredient from the best places. Middle Eastern countries have very excellent soil that cultivates great foods with high quality flavor and nutrition.

Yet they live in a terrible condition in comparison to what they poses due to the greed of government.

Meanwhile the USSR created a booming economy by coming together. They did great things while not ignoring the horrible stuff.




All kidding aside this is very true. Lack of healthy soil due to harsh climate led to period of time that turned people in to cannibals.

Much of eastern and southern Russia is extremely fertile land. I’m so confused by this thread. Yr trolling right? The Rus have an incredibly rich history, dating back 1000 years, that’s as crazy and complex as any of the peoples in Western Europe...

 

[Noveltymortar]

Thanks man!

I am in a business of finding the best ingredient from the best places. Middle Eastern countries have very excellent soil that cultivates great foods with high quality flavor and nutrition.

Yet they live in a terrible condition in comparison to what they poses due to the greed of government.

Meanwhile the USSR created a booming economy by coming together. They did great things while not ignoring the horrible stuff.




All kidding aside this is very true. Lack of healthy soil due to harsh climate led to period of time that turned people in to cannibals.

What absolute revisionist nonsense. Do you know how many people Stalin killed? Do you know about the gulags? Do you know about the famines caused by collectivism that killed millions? The living standards under Soviet rule were not good for most. And serfdom was long over by 1917. Read the accounts of the people that lived under the soviet regime. Read The Gulag Archipelago.

 

[Ogata]

Much of eastern and southern Russia is extremely fertile land. I’m so confused by this thread. Yr trolling right? The Rus have an incredibly rich history, dating back 1000 years, that’s as crazy and complex as any of the peoples in Western Europe...

I already posted the source about folks mentioning that its difficult to extract resources due to harsh climate. Also, I am not making a side, I am looking for documentary because I am being told different things and I want to see what the truth is. Hence the title of the thread is a question and not a statement.

What absolute revisionist nonsense. Do you know how many people Stalin killed? Do you know about the gulags? Do you know about the famines caused by collectivism that killed millions? The living standards under Soviet rule were not good for most. And serfdom was long over by 1917. Read the accounts of the people that lived under the soviet regime. Read The Gulag Archipelago.

I am asking a question about Russia pre soviet union, I am being told many different things and I am looking for definitive answer. Regarding Stalin, soviet union existed before Stalin, Gregory and another was supposed to be in charge but through forgery and deceptive tactics, Stalin came to power. Stalin did not start the soviet union nor was he supposed to be in charge had it been done in a fair election.

Anyways, I am not re-visioning anything but simply asking for documentaries that are more in line with the facts as oppose to opposing views.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

It was a complete autocracy. The peasants were completely zhit on and when they marched peacefully on the czars palace asking for relief he gunned them down. Thats what led to the revolution and the formation of the USSR.

 

[Shinigami]

It was a complete autocracy. The peasants were completely zhit on and when they marched peacefully on the czars palace asking for relief he gunned them down. Thats what led to the revolution and the formation of the USSR.

where millions upon millions were murdered by the commies

 

[SRN]

See I am a bit confused. Some say it was the worse thing that happened to Russia and others say that it created prosperity.

I am trying to educate myself and at this point I have no real opinion on the matter.

I think the best way to see this is to understand that USSR modernized and industrialized Russia but it was at an enormous cost. It doesn't mean it was a good regime. And that doesn't mean Imperial Russia was either. Their history is quite interesting but you have to see it as it was and is; a nation ruled by brutally with a population that only respect authoritarian leaders. Edit: I think value is th more appropriate word here. They value authoritarian leaders.

 

[milliniar]

Don't forget Rasputin

Spoiler

 

[nostradumbass]

It was shit, but so was pretty much everywhere else. The communists took over and stunted their growth compared to what other places saw in that same time, enslaved people, killed an incredible number and took over all the nearby countries and kept them in poverty too.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

where millions upon millions were murdered by the commies

And just think if the czar wouldn't have been an arsehole, none of that would have happened.

 

[shunyata]

And just think if the czar wouldn't have been an arsehole, none of that would have happened.

There have been arguments throughout history, that enlightened and wise kings are the best system of government. The problem is that rarely sticks for more than a generation or two before you get an idiot asshole king. Sometimes all it takes is a well meaning but extremely ignorant king to fuck the entire nation over.