_Glorfindel_
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I knew you were doing this to get people to talk about catch wrestling.
You are obsessed or what?
it happened in a mma gym, that's why i said that, dumb ass.
I knew you were doing this to get people to talk about catch wrestling.
Well, not exactly.
You can go to the inverted heel hook from ashigarami and still not have the same anti-runout effect of the 50/50. The fact is you basically can't go to the inverted heelhook with putting the hips on the mat.
We see all the time Heelhook attemps against a standing opponent. Going to the full reap and I think (in my humble - non elite leglocker - oppinion) it's a mistake. The old school way of doing the heelhook to a standing opponent is not really effective against someone explosive, slippery and who want's to run out. I am a firm believer of the sweep first, leglock after.
With that said I also believe the 1LX guard sweep is better than the full reap heehook against a standing opponent (we see attempts like that all the time in MMA...). Since Cummings I don't even go for the reap most of the time to finish the heelhook (inverted or regular)
Yeah, sure. It's funny because Ryan failed at this from the standard position but exactly did this in 50/50.
50/50 is really great to force the fight on the ground. It's not as good as the reap/ashi garami position in terms of anti-counter leglock but it's a good way to skip the wrestling aspect of MMA and chain leglocks attempts without the risk of the opponent slipping out and running out of the ground.
I say it again but the Marcelo Garcia's Guard with heelhooks can be one of the most damaging form of BJJ in MMA.
Are you talking about the incident Ryan training with his girlfriend?
If so, his girlfriend actually posted on here and cleared things up for us sherdoggers awhile back.
\ not that he's just on such a different level in terms of MMA understanding. And if he was, then he needs to check himself.
I'll ask for names the next time I'm in class, though it would be unlikely that the person would be known to the BJJ community nor would I release their name without their permission.
But if the story is completely false, then what would be the purpose of providing names? You seem to know for certain that it is false since you trained with Ryan in 2007. Which is 8 years ago.
I dont think I remeber than, I just saw a 46 min interview with him, he didnt mention any of that, he is however showing as always a very cerebral approach to mma, me mentions he would like to show other aspects of his game but in a tournament like hes force to take as less damage possible etc etc etc...
I also dont agree on ryan being in such a different MMA level, yes he is in another galaxy in grappling terms, but I dont even think hes the most decorated grappler to ever step in a tuf house. Serginho was a way more decorated grappler and he never got the hype Ryan is getting (he made fast work of most of his opponents also in the house) I think ryan has a combo, hes like the smallest guys in the show, his truely "I really dont give a fuck" attitude (whithout being a jerk, actually showing to be a nice person) his constant blinking, urija showing to be a fan of his helps him a lot, it also helps that he drops some knowledge every time the camera gets him to talk..
Ryan may turned out to be a really big start once the show ends...
You are obsessed or what?
it happened in a mma gym, that's why i said that, dumb ass.
I dont think I remeber than, I just saw a 46 min interview with him, he didnt mention any of that,
Why dont you tell us all the details if you want us to believe you?
Were you there watching it? Care to tell us anyone that was?
Pretty big accusation, and would probably be easily verified. I or sure would be willing to eat crow if you were able to convince me.
It was hilarious seeing him teach Urijah and his coaches. You can tell even Mcgregor respects the fuck out of his skills.
The 45 minutes interview with him was really interesting, especially when he talked about not being able to get fights. Two friends of mine who fight at 145 were offered fights with him, and refused immediately knowing they weren't ready. One of them has had the same problem as Ryan, albeit not at the same level. Simply being known as a purple belt who'd maul his opponents in BJJ tournaments in the province (Quebec) was enough for guys to refuse fights with him.
When he was asked why he did that he said :' i'm one injury from retirement and i have to protect myself against bigger guy'
There were multiple witness, he made no friend there, believe me.
I dont want the owner or the gym to be involved in an internet wich hunt.
in fact, i should have keep my mouth shut about that.
And frankly, i dont care if you believe me or not. That guy is weird, he even say that he injured about 10 guys with heel hook.
If you too dumb to communicate and injure people to teach them a lesson, you need a lesson with a baseball bat.
It was on episode two I think, probably not on YouTube. Dunno the exact time but I definitely remembered something along those lines.
I still knew people at the school up to around the time he left. I've never heard of him intentionally injuring anyone or some "great exodus" of talent leaving because of it. You're bashing some guy online based on heresay.
I DVR'd the episode, watched it yesterday, twice, then showed it to my wife to justify my man crush. I did not get the impression he was saying his skills were on another level, more that he was saying he doesn't fit in with the let me bang bro mentality of many of the fighters socially, intellectually, or morally.
Evolution bjj/tristar Gatineau, Quebec. He injured Carl Loubert.
I DVR'd the episode, watched it yesterday, twice, then showed it to my wife to justify my man crush. I did not get the impression he was saying his skills were on another level, more that he was saying he doesn't fit in with the let me bang bro mentality of many of the fighters socially, intellectually, or morally.
Your original story was that he intentionally hurt a girl at Limpy Lloyd's and people left because of it. Now, it's some guy in Quebec?
Evolution bjj/tristar Gatineau, Quebec. He injured Carl Loubert.
Stories like this really make me wonder how many higher level athletes give up on MMA when they get caught in the catch 22 of too well known for people to take fights with you and "too inexperienced in MMA" for an athletic commission to sanction your fight against experienced opponents.
I believe TUF still has an important role to play in developing MMA fighters if for nothing else than to make sure that fighters who are falling through the cracks because they're viewed as "too skilled" get a chance.
Glorfindel's story was always Quebec. Another poster said he hurt a female competitor in his team.
I DVR'd the episode, watched it yesterday, twice, then showed it to my wife to justify my man crush. I did not get the impression he was saying his skills were on another level, more that he was saying he doesn't fit in with the let me bang bro mentality of many of the fighters socially, intellectually, or morally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=244&v=rjdeCSDyHwM
8 minutes in. If you want some insight into whether or not he would intentionally injure someone during training.
When he was asked why he did that he said :' i'm one injury from retirement and i have to protect myself against bigger guy'
There were multiple witness, he made no friend there, believe me.
And frankly, i dont care if you believe me or not. That guy is weird, he even say that he injured about 10 guys with heel hook.
Evolution bjj/tristar Gatineau, Quebec. He injured Carl Loubert.
Tell me about it - I have a friend who wrestled at DI school, never started, is a white belt, and cannot get an amateur fight. He is also in his mid 30s, but no one wants to fight him.
So...
He isn't just trying to bang?
Bro?
Being holed up in a house full of mma fighters for 2 months, should expose his true character especially since he will have a huge target on his back. Unless of course UFC tries to edit everything out.
I dont think going for hh while your opponent is standing is a good decision, take him to the ground then apply the hh, most pp is just going to turn or slip away,I dont remember the last time Ive seen a hh to a standing opponent work...
the fuck?Where does everyone know him from? I honestly had never heard of him.
Edit: NM, see he is an instructor people know primarily from training with him or being in those circles
Um....
Ryan Hall's last two TUF matches ring a bell?
the fuck?
hall is a top level BJJ competitor with very popular instructional videos.
Look man, i will not comment anymore on this. He's a weirdo.
And i didnt say he injured 10 orthers on PURPOSE, like he did to Carl.
So, what ever float your boat and good luck in your 'quest' for the truth, i already said more than enough.
I'll give some support to the king of the elves here. I have trained in Gatineau and heard about that story too. I didn't know it was Carl (seriously the nicest guy around) though.
My sister trained at Tristar for a while, and I have a few friends who drop there once in a while, and I've heard many stories of Mr Hall's tendencies to crank submissions too hard when he doesn't like his opponents or the way they roll. I won't repeat my sister's comments on him here, but they weren't nice.
Yeah i'm not quite sure what he means. Initiating the HH control while the opponent is standing? Both Hall's matches and Rousimar Palhares highlight reel.
That said. The FINISH tends to happen while the opponents hips are jammed into the mat. If the heel is still connected to the ground and weight is on the attacked foot, you aren't ripping anything until you can make that foot light.