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Used to train with him and Dave Kaplan, hope he has better luck with TUF than Kaplan did
Well, hopefully Ryan doesn't boast about his chin and literally beg someone to try and KO him.
Used to train with him and Dave Kaplan, hope he has better luck with TUF than Kaplan did
Adcc is also only a single event only every other year only a select few get to participate in.
If you're trying to imply that carlinhos' rule set doesn't have the biggest influence on the training habits of most jiujiteiros today, youed be wrong.
Well, hopefully Ryan doesn't boast about his chin and literally beg someone to try and KO him.
I think it's very calculated and that he's pretty comfortable finishing from the saddles and ashi garamis as well. I've been heel hooked by him from basically every leg position and he was clearly really comfy in all of them. When he was discussing the 50/50 the producers actually didn't show any. All of those training heel hooks were from other leg entanglements. Maybe it is stupid to read too much into it like this but I really think he's choosing to do this on purpose. He even said after the fight that there are things that he's way more dangerous with than heel hooks (which is true) but that right now he's just going to let people think that's his thing.
that wasn't the smartest move, but the end result was one of the funniest things to come out of TUF.
the whole scene was hysterical.
sport BJJ does not equate IBJFF
there are plenty of tournaments, especially in no gi platform that doesn't goes with IBJFF rules. IBJFF while is big, it isn't the end all, be all.
I bet the fact that it's so easy to dive for the legs counts too. Ryan has great triangles/back attacks/tons of other stuff, but they require the fight to go to the ground first. Going for heel hooks he doesn't even need to wrestle or even clinch.
You're switching really fast between a technical definition of sport, and the colloquial stereotype of 'sporty' jiu jitsu, which is undoubtedly bound up in popular strategies optimized for success under International Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Federation sanctioned tournament formats.
no, that's your definition. Sports BJJ to me just means any BJJ that isn't MMA or self defense oriented.
And people who were giving Ryan shit about this transition into MMA is just that.. his BJJ is too "sport" oriented and his 50/50 won't work in MMA.
are you fucking retarded?
do you tear people's knees if they go harder than you think they should? or do you tell them to calm the fuck down? because if you injure someone for going too hard without talking to them first, you're the one that deserves to get smashed to shit.
if what the guy said is true, i hope ryan gets his shit pushed in, as well as any idiot fanboy who thinks this kind of behavior is acceptable. being good at BJJ and famous in the community does not somehow excuse you for being an absolute asshole.
Why are you so angry? And so quick to believe some randoms story?
Yeah, and that's just your definition too.
Yes, yes, I know the score, everyone loves to adopt highly abstract and carefully modulated axioms when debates roll around, if it suits them. But little Carlos is, of course, the biggest game in town. Its only natural for trends there to pick up bandwidth in the popular discourse. So when people think of 'sport jiu jitsu', they tend to be thinking of popular strategies optimized for success under International Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Federation sanctioned tournament formats.
I'm just saying, we wernt having these conversations when palhares was making drumsticks, even though its pretty much the same thing. At best you might have occasionally had someone bring up marcin held's sick DHG.
That's basically what I mean when I say everyone's worrying too much about his backgrounds. He's been training for mma for years now since leaving competition. The games changed.
http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12/whats-up-ryan-hall-fight-video-inside-2535305/index4.html
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Do i look like a hater at that time?? Nope...Now, go figure why i changed my mind since then...
I will not post any gym or people name, forget that. Feel free to believe me or not, i dont care, someone asked me why i want him to be ko'ed badly, i have answered why and this will be my last post about it.
The guy who is arguably best in the world at 50/50 is making it work in MMA against a couple of blue/purple belt level fighters. That doesn't mean it's suddenly validated.
That said, I was watching closely and Ryan seemed to do a really good job of keeping himself safe from strikes when he was in 50/50 or rolling under.
Yeah, and that's just your definition too.
Yes, yes, I know the score, everyone loves to adopt highly abstract and carefully modulated axioms when debates roll around, if it suits them. But little Carlos is, of course, the biggest game in town. Its only natural for trends there to pick up bandwidth in the popular discourse. So when people think of 'sport jiu jitsu', they tend to be thinking of popular strategies optimized for success under International Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Federation sanctioned tournament formats.
I'm just saying, we wernt having these conversations when palhares was making drumsticks, even though its pretty much the same thing. At best you might have occasionally had someone bring up marcin held's sick DHG.
That's basically what I mean when I say everyone's worrying too much about his backgrounds. He's been training for mma for years now since leaving competition. The games changed.
Just as head kicks and "exotic" striking techniques are making their way into modern MMA, I see no reason why some of the most sporty stuff in bjj couldnt, marcin held has been proving it for a while now.
Why are you so angry? And so quick to believe some randoms story?
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Never trained with or met Hall.
However, close friends of mine who came out of Virginia confirm the stories of Ryan Hall are in line with what people say on message boards.
He is an arrogant douche bag who has purposefully injured training partners even at his own gym. I was told there were several instances of Ryan injuring his training partners and it culminated into a mass Lloyd Irvin-like exodus of the competition team following an incident where he purposefully injured a female team member.
From what I have gathered, he is not a good person. Those of you who go out of your way to shame those who speak out against him are simply fanboys who either read his Letter to the BJJ community, shared the pizza parlor video, or his bought/pirated his pretentious DVDs.
I think it's very calculated and that he's pretty comfortable finishing from the saddles and ashi garamis as well. I've been heel hooked by him from basically every leg position and he was clearly really comfy in all of them. When he was discussing the 50/50 the producers actually didn't show any. All of those training heel hooks were from other leg entanglements. Maybe it is stupid to read too much into it like this but I really think he's choosing to do this on purpose. He even said after the fight that there are things that he's way more dangerous with than heel hooks (which is true) but that right now he's just going to let people think that's his thing.
I think the problem here is rolling with hh allow, which seems to be the case where ryan injured a couple of dudes. I really really have a hard time seeing ryan trying to purpusly injure people, now if someone gets all fired up and start to really pushing the pace, may be ryan locked a couple of hh and the person didnt tap or wanted to escape the wrong way and then, bum shit happenes when hhs are allow.. I dont know just cant picture such a cerebral dude trying to injure training partners.
There is zero chances I will believe he wanted to hurt on purpuse a female, that is ridiculous.
He says he wants to fight at 135 or 145, but tuf was 155
People I've trained with who know Ryan say he's a great guy, but one could make argument that this situation shows a he has a bit of a temper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJX9QnrZtfc
Well I don't think he's cutting much if any weight at TUF. He could easily go lighter.
Well I don't think he's cutting much if any weight at TUF. He could easily go lighter.
I am also mad at the complete crap TUF is.
We have someone like Ryan Hall who can teach a lot better than anyone in the game and the only thing we will see is Conor's antic or drunk idiots.
TUF is a complete waste of time.