Rumor: Ryan Hall on TUF 22

If this happens it will be the first season of TUF that I'll have watched in a long time.

It'll be interesting to see Hall on reality TV, and in many ways I think his personality will help him. He's been trying to break into MMA for a long time, and I could see him being a Chris Holdsworth or Mac Danzig type guy. Someone that is experiences and there to handle business.

Happy for him if it' true. It's not a secret that he's had a hard time getting fights. I hope this can be his door to the bigger stage, and I'm sure if he's on the show that he'll do very well.
 
OoopsaDaisey said:
Ryan Hall is an elite grappler facing a bunch of guys who can't really grapple. He's going to run through every single fighter on that European team without too much trouble, I think.
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Yeah, it's gunna be fun to watch.
 
Where would he rank among best pure grapplers on the show? I'd put vinny at #1, but he'd probably be top 5.
 
vcmmafan said:
What happened so far?
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Ryan looked pretty hittable early (took a few punches trying to close the distance) but when Ryan was able to let a few kicks loose he was able to slide into a leg lock position. He used that same roll he did in the first fight to grab a leg. Frantz defended a few attmepts. About the third or fourth heel hool attempt Frant had to tap.
 
Forceof1 said:
Where would he rank among best pure grapplers on the show? I'd put vinny at #1, but he'd probably be top 5.
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Absolutely top 5. Vinny is probably the best in the show's history so far. I can't think of another ADCC gold medalist that has participated on the show. I would think Ryan Hall and Chris Holdsworth would also both be in the top 5. Roli Delgado is probably up there. Nate Diaz. There's been so many season of TUF that I'm sure I'm forgetting some great names.

Side note I think it really shows how far grappling has come. Love Diego Sanchez and he was one of my favorite fighters but I remember when he was billed on the show as the "Rickson" character that was a "master submission grappler". He would always reference Rickson and how he was destined to retire undefeated, and at the time his grappling was probably the best on the show. And now Diego is sort of considered a brawler that (I don't think) has a submission win since his run on the show.
 
vcmmafan said:
Ryan is a nasty grappler but we'll see how he does in the UFC. This TUF competition isn't exactly tough for someone like him.
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Thing is that he can much more easily enter this position than say someone like maia who has to get a td to use his bjj for the most part.
 
Drew Foster said:
Absolutely top 5. Vinny is probably the best in the show's history so far. I can't think of another ADCC gold medalist that has participated on the show. I would think Ryan Hall and Chris Holdsworth would also both be in the top 5. Roli Delgado is probably up there. Nate Diaz. There's been so many season of TUF that I'm sure I'm forgetting some great names.

Side note I think it really shows how far grappling has come. Love Diego Sanchez and he was one of my favorite fighters but I remember when he was billed on the show as the "Rickson" character that was a "master submission grappler". He would always reference Rickson and how he was destined to retire undefeated, and at the time his grappling was probably the best on the show. And now Diego is sort of considered a brawler that (I don't think) has a submission win since his run on the show.
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I know its not the topic but I 've been watching MMA since 1993 and I cant recall another fighter having such a regression of skills esp training at arguably the top camp for most of his career than Diego Sanchez. I'd love to see a rematch between him and nick Diaz.

And as far as the op Hall def has the mentality imo to do good in mma. Marcelo was too nice for mma an since he was/is widely considered the best to ever compete in sub grappling he's rich enough with his academy and seminars. Now Roger Gracie in mma just seemed half asleep/uninterested. And the same can be said for him his school name recognition and seminars makes him rich without having to get punched in the head

Ryan is a meat eater I can see him doing well in mma.
 
platfox said:
Ryan looked pretty hittable early (took a few punches trying to close the distance) but when Ryan was able to let a few kicks loose he was able to slide into a leg lock position. He used that same roll he did in the first fight to grab a leg. Frantz defended a few attmepts. About the third or fourth heel hool attempt Frant had to tap.
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I hope he gets a good striking coach. I want to see the dude wreck.
 
I came out of Sherdog posting retirement just to post that I'd also come out of TUF watching retirement for Hall.
 
Shokushu Goukan said:
Right. It says absolutely nothing about their skill at all. their comp just totally sucks. Got it. thanks
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Well, it's quite clear from visibly watching Rousey's opponents that they aren't very talented. Did you watch Tate vs Eye? Absolute garbage. Tate is the clear #2 in the division.

Hall has faced weak competition as well. Do you think he'd do these things against top 20 guys? Absolutely not. He may get a few, but he's far from being Palhares.
 
Yeah I would watch if Ryan was on the show. I have 3 of his dvd sets. So much information but they ready help evolve my game.

The problem is they have a bunch of unstable people in there. Ryan is so intellectual and level headed I don't know how he will handle it.
 
They hyped Ryan so much in tonight's episode that it's likely he won the whole thing in devastiting fashion. (Urijah kept calling him the Wizard)
 
Dogstarman said:
Yeah I would watch if Ryan was on the show. I have 3 of his dvd sets. So much information but they ready help evolve my game.

The problem is they have a bunch of unstable people in there. Ryan is so intellectual and level headed I don't know how he will handle it.
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I think he'd just roll his eyes.
 
Shokushu Goukan said:
Thing is that he can much more easily enter this position than say someone like maia who has to get a td to use his bjj for the most part.
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If he's as cerebral as everyone says he is (and I have no reason to doubt that he isn't), then it's not just luck that his particular ground game doesn't have that limitation.

I'm sure he pondered the "BJJ specialists have problems with wrestlers and strikers that they can't take down" conundrum and thought about how to fix it.

Rolling for leg locks seems like a pretty good fix.
 
Jack Handy jr said:
I know its not the topic but I 've been watching MMA since 1993 and I cant recall another fighter having such a regression of skills esp training at arguably the top camp for most of his career than Diego Sanchez. I'd love to see a rematch between him and nick Diaz.

And as far as the op Hall def has the mentality imo to do good in mma. Marcelo was too nice for mma an since he was/is widely considered the best to ever compete in sub grappling he's rich enough with his academy and seminars. Now Roger Gracie in mma just seemed half asleep/uninterested. And the same can be said for him his school name recognition and seminars makes him rich without having to get punched in the head

Ryan is a meat eater I can see him doing well in mma.
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Yeah and also Hall has a great pro record so far. Not a lot of footage but he goes out there, punches, dumps people, and finishes with strikes or subs from what it's looked like.

He also was smart to not try to dive into the deep end too early and take his time. Again, hopefully if he really is on TUF this season, it will pay off for him and jiu-jitsu as a whole. BTW is this upcoming season the one with Conor McGregor and Urijah Faber?

As far as Diego Sanchez, I haven't followed a lot of his fights since he went from The Nightmare to The Dream, but his fights are always fun to watch. I do hate seeing him get hit in the head so much.
 
OoopsaDaisey said:
Well, it's quite clear from visibly watching Rousey's opponents that they aren't very talented. Did you watch Tate vs Eye? Absolute garbage. Tate is the clear #2 in the division.

Hall has faced weak competition as well. Do you think he'd do these things against top 20 guys? Absolutely not. He may get a few, but he's far from being Palhares.
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He knows how to let go of a submission unless the other guy is being a dick at least.
 
He could be one of the coaches there haha, will definitely be rooting for him. Also will be interesting to see him in a reality tv setting.

And yeah this is the Faber/Mcgregor TUF
 
Fernt said:
They hyped Ryan so much in tonight's episode that it's likely he won the whole thing in devastating fashion. (Urijah kept calling him the Wizard)
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That's good detective work, son. He probably did win it all. I wouldn't be surprised if he won them all the same exact way.
 
vcmmafan said:
That's good detective work, son. He probably did win it all. I wouldn't be surprised if he won them all the same exact way.
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It's not detective work. It's pure speculation.

There is often a lot of foreboding or clues in the little training vignettes for that episodes fight, but thinking you can guess the outcome just because of a few comments from Faber is silly.
 
Young Turkey said:
He could be one of the coaches there haha, will definitely be rooting for him. Also will be interesting to see him in a reality tv setting.

And yeah this is the Faber/Mcgregor TUF
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TUF has had a lot of contestants who could have been coaches. Vitor Miranda from TUF Brazil 3 could have been a striking coach. Andy Wang or Nate Diaz or Manny Gamburyan from TUF 5 could have been grappling coaches. A bunch of the guys from "The Comeback" season could have been MMA coaches.
 
I'm really enjoying this season. Less antics, more training, and love or hate him- mcgregor is captivating.

Plus, the amount of grappling / Ryan hall has been enjoyable.
 
Don't forget Vinny Magalhaes^^
 
For those who missed it:

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waiguoren said:
TUF has had a lot of contestants who could have been coaches. Vitor Miranda from TUF Brazil 3 could have been a striking coach. Andy Wang or Nate Diaz or Manny Gamburyan from TUF 5 could have been grappling coaches. A bunch of the guys from "The Comeback" season could have been MMA coaches.
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Nate was a purple belt when he was on TUF and still pretty young in the game. I don't think that he's the guy you would pick for a grappling coach.

Also Leo Santos was a contestant on TUF Brazil. I'd put him in the top 5. So was Sergio Moraes, Delson Heleno, and Cara De Sapato.
 
ryan is fucking out blinking everyone thats for sure....
 
so funny that people keeps shitting on the 50/50 position for MMA, now this whole 2cond episode was about how to avoid ryans 50/50, I guess at least after this season we wont hear anymore some of thtat " 50/50 sporty crap that dont work in mma"..
 
BJJ_Rage said:
I would love to watch some none stop blinking from ryan lol...

I hope he does it, I seen some vids of him doing wrestling comptetition, so I guess that part should be on check by now.

War Ryan!
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Ryan "Don't Blink" Hall
 
Although we know Ryan is known for being incredible in 50/50, I feel like he is purposely doing it to validate the position. Like he secretly wants to strike, but is thinking "I dedicate this opportunity to sport jiu jitsu." Lol.
 
Anyone think it was a bit unprofessional and rude for dana to mention something about "Don't hold onto a leg for 3 rounds and expect to win"
 
Blacklabel said:
Anyone think it was a bit unprofessional and rude for dana to mention something about "Don't hold onto a leg for 3 rounds and expect to win"
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To be fair, Dana was probably referring to lay and pray. There have been some serious stinkers on TUF due to LnP. and Ryan isn't so much holding onto a leg for 3 rounds as he is diving on them and cranking the fuck outta them in 1.
 
Used to train with him and Dave Kaplan, hope he has better luck with TUF than Kaplan did
 
BJJ_Rage said:
so funny that people keeps shitting on the 50/50 position for MMA, now this whole 2cond episode was about how to avoid ryans 50/50, I guess at least after this season we wont hear anymore some of thtat " 50/50 sporty crap that dont work in mma"..
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The guy who is arguably best in the world at 50/50 is making it work in MMA against a couple of blue/purple belt level fighters. That doesn't mean it's suddenly validated.

That said, I was watching closely and Ryan seemed to do a really good job of keeping himself safe from strikes when he was in 50/50 or rolling under.
 
lts5025 said:
The guy who is arguably best in the world at 50/50 is making it work in MMA against a couple of blue/purple belt level fighters. That doesn't mean it's suddenly validated.
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Yeah but they're not just your average local-scene MMA fighters either. I think that 50/50 "doesn't work in MMA" has been disproven. Whether it works over time at the highest possible levels like the UFC is another matter.
 
_Glorfindel_ said:
hope he will get ko'ed badly.
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Blacklabel said:
Anyone think it was a bit unprofessional and rude for dana to mention something about "Don't hold onto a leg for 3 rounds and expect to win"
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It's absolutely ridiculous that he can decide for someone not to go into the next round, regardless if they win or not, due to disliking their fighting style. This isn't a sport, it's sports entertainment. The UFC is a joke of a sporting organization, truthfully. It's WWE with real bouts, nothing more.
 
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