Roy Nelson's jiu jitsu myth.

The best he ever did in Abu Dhabi was the quarter finals!? That's not a sign of having good BJJ?
 
Being fat makes you better at BJJ, at least defensively. You literally cannot sub a hippo. Not possible. Your arms can't wrap around anything to create leverage. It has simply too much girth. Nelson is similar albeit to a much lesser degree.

I had a BJJ coach for a while that had this big ol' belly like Roy, and let me tell you something. You've never felt less conditioned than when that belly is on top of you, and knee on belly can damn near tap you out it hurts so bad.

On topic, Roy has never been submitted and has shown great sub defense. He just prefers to get the highlight KO's.
 
Calm down firstly.
I'm not trolling. Just because you don't agree with someone, doesn't mean they are trolling. Ok?

Secondly, I'm not saying he should have gone to the ground, I'm saying why was he clearly terrified of going to the ground by adapting to a stance we've never seen him adapt before.
Which for sure would have effected his standup by adopting that stance.
Rosholt probably won the first round, and that's with Nelson's plodding 'how soon can I hit you with my right hand' actions.

Has anyone even thought why Nelson didn't try to get the fight to the ground himself if he's this BJJ wizard we've all been conned into believing?
Why would he be so worried about being taken down. So worried that he completely changes his stance for the first time ever (as far as I recall).

Because his wrestling is weak and he's not exactly fast on a shot? Because he's definitely better than Rosholt standing, but Rosholt's wrestling can negate Nelson's grappling? I don't know how last night of all nights would lead you to conclude this.
 
Calm down firstly.
I'm not trolling. Just because you don't agree with someone, doesn't mean they are trolling. Ok?

Secondly, I'm not saying he should have gone to the ground, I'm saying why was he clearly terrified of going to the ground by adapting to a stance we've never seen him adapt before.
Which for sure would have effected his standup by adopting that stance.
Rosholt probably won the first round, and that's with Nelson's plodding 'how soon can I hit you with my right hand' actions.

Has anyone even thought why Nelson didn't try to get the fight to the ground himself if he's this BJJ wizard we've all been conned into believing?
Why would he be so worried about being taken down. So worried that he completely changes his stance for the first time ever (as far as I recall).

It has nothing to do with agreeing or not. It has to do with your opinion is completely awful. He'd be worried about being taken down, BECAUSE YOU LOSE THE ROUND IF YOURE ON BOTTOM.
 
Horrible thread by horrible poster. He's like macalpine rules 1.0. It's sad.
 
There isn't a need to get insulting, this is a conversation/debate, so calm down.
Yes i've seen that video.
Almost EVERY fighter has 'legit' BJJ skills these days.

I understand JJ and I just don't think Roy is very special at it. Last night was the perfect example to show his JJ skills, instead he took on a completely new stance because he was terrified of being taken down.
If you're that great at JJ and that comfortable with it, why would you adapt in such an extreme way?

People just need to stop talking about Roy Nelson like he's some kind of jiu-jitsu wizard who just chooses not to use it.
You really sound like you're talking out of your ass.
 
I've seen Werdum submit the heavyweight champion and various other people, so yeah, he kind of uses his already established and proven JJ skills don't you think?
There's no need to be patronising.

Your point makes no sense because Gonzaga, Werdum, Silva and Penn would not be afraid to go to the ground.
Do you honestly think Werdum would care too much if Jared Rosholt took him down? Fuck no! And that's from a guy arguably worse on his feet than Nelson is.

BJ Penn's career has been severely tainted because of his stubborn refusal to take fights to the ground, we all know that.

If you think that being good at jiu jitsu is a reason to let someone get the takedown on you in a fight you are winning, you've probably been doing a little too much jiu jitsu.

Unless you are baiting your opponent you should ALWAYS fight off the takedown to the best of your ability. It's asinine to suggest you shouldn't, it's that attitude on the part of high level jiu jitsu players that allowed for the wrestling renaissance that occurred in MMA for a window of a few years (it's come back into balance now precisely because no one but you subscribes to that bullshit anymore).
 
Roy has decent BJJ skills and he used to be quite good, but at this very moment both Werdum and Mir would easily school him on the ground

Werdum beats him everywhere... but for Mir I think it depends more on who gets top position. Roy is a big guy, which makes him hard to sub in and of itself, and his bjj knowledge makes it even harder.

Mir would likely beat him via points at this point in a jiu jitsu or grappling match... but Mir doesn't have an amazing top game. To the average person without a nuanced understanding of jiu jitsu scoring it would probably look like a stalemate.
 
His black belt is actually 3 belts tied together to get around that gut.
 
Except he is a good submission specialist, he just enjoys giving people brain damage, although not as much recently. Would love to see him drop to 205 though. Could reinvigorate his career, which he could sorely use.
 
I like how people point to that grappling tournament where Mir gassed out of his mind to reference how good Roy is at BJJ but ignore the Mir/Roy MMA fight where Roy got controlled and the shit beat out of him on the ground
 
His sub game is certainly sub par, Jared handed him an easy choke last nighy and Roy didnt even seem to know it was there.

With that said his Overall BJJ is loosely proven.
 
Why would he want to go to the ground with a great wrestler? He wasn't scared. He just had more of an advantage on the feet. Did you not notice how uncomfortable Rosholt was boxing? That's why Roy did not want to go to the mat.
 
I like how people point to that grappling tournament where Mir gassed out of his mind to reference how good Roy is at BJJ but ignore the Mir/Roy MMA fight where Roy got controlled and the shit beat out of him on the ground

I like how you excuse Frank for being gassed and ignore the fact Roy was extremely sick in his bout vs Mir.

Ts is an idiot. Why would you go to the ground with a good wrestler like Jared the blanket Rosholt and risk a loss like the Struve fight......

Winning via sub is actually one of the harder ways to win due to the amount of varibles needed to pull it off. Hence why it is the lowest win % type in the UFC.

Dec, TKo, KO are far easier to achieve in that order.

I am sure you aren't a moron even though you are making a good case for that assumption.

How about you go ask to roll with Roy so you can test his Horrid bjj skills yourself.
 
How was he supposed to take down the former NCAA wrestler in Rosholt?
 
I like how you excuse Frank for being gassed and ignore the fact Roy was extremely sick in his bout vs Mir

not only did Mir also have bronchitis in his fight with Roy Nelson but he had a bad knee injury too

Roy got fucking destroyed on the ground by someone who isn't even known for his control, get over it
 
not only did Mir also have bronchitis in his fight with Roy Nelson but he had a bad knee injury too

Roy got fucking destroyed on the ground by someone who isn't even known for his control, get over it

No Mir did not...... You are talking out your ass mate.

Also did you even watch the fight? Roy didn't get destroyed anywhere it was a horrid fight for both of them.

I swear to god wtf is with all the revisionist history re-writes goin on?
 
Werdum took his back in their fight and he looked pretty good defending it, so there's that.

Yeah. Not a Roy Nelson fan but in that particular fight he showed really good ground skills. I believe he got to scape a rear naked choke and some other attemps from vai cavalo at other positions.
 
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